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New category per Ketamine
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clearlyone
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I’d like to see it.
While a different class, it’s potential for insight, healing and transformation is significant.
While a different class, it’s potential for insight, healing and transformation is significant.
Agreed. I have posted a couple of threads on Ketamine in the Other Psychoactives subforum, but I believe the healing potential of this substance warrants it having its own category. I haven't worked with it in a few years but I do miss it a lot. 
Mitakuye Oyasin
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That would be worthwhile. Wasn't it John Lilly that mapped Ketamine experience space way back decades ago? There seem to be some good success stories of people using Ketamine to overcome chronic depression and other health / mental issues.
I’ll echo here. Ketamine has been quite healing for me. It has a much higher abuse potential than other entheogens, but can be used as an entheogen nonetheless. A friend of mine is very fond of K with spice in particular, as well.
Indeed it does have a higher abuse potential. I know of a couple of people that have fallen into a habit of abusing it, and apart from missing the point of working with it entirely, there's also some evidence that it can cause quite a lot of damage to the kidneys.
Moderation and respect, as usual, are the key. I'm looking forward to working with K again, it's been a few years.
Yes, this exactly. It isn’t abuse resistant like tryptamines. And it is indeed body toxic. I think because of these reasons, a particular word of warning should be available for those who are interested and have no experience with the substance: if you feel unable to self regulate your substance use, or suffer from chronic states of depression, anxiety, or dysphoria, ketamine is probably a substance worth avoiding. Additionally, as it is a regulated pharmaceutical, it is always worth testing your ketamine.
Definitely. I'd say if one fits the description you provided, it's either best to attend a ketamine experience guided by experts in a clinic, or avoid it altogether.
You're quick! Thanks a bunch, we'll try to keep it civil and organized in there
I'll definitely help keep an eye on it, as with the rest of the forum.You're quick! Thanks a bunch, we'll try to keep it civil and organized in there
Ketamine bladder 'toxicity' is due to the poor solubility of its metabolite, norketamine, in urine. This then crystalises out in various parts of the urinary tract as needles which physically damage the surrounding tissue, like kidney/bladder stones from hell
[Edit: I'm sure the resulting localised high concentrations of norket don't do much for tissue survival either…]
Worst is if the post-nasal drip is swallowed, as this leads to greater hepatic metabolism and particularly heavy users may even experience gastric damage. (Perhaps this should go in a K harm-reduction post.)
Maybe you can write a sticky topic in that new subforum with these warnings in it?I'll definitely help keep an eye on it, as with the rest of the forum.
Ketaimine bladder 'toxicity' is due to the poor solubility of its metabolite, norketamine, in urine. This then crystalises out in various parts of the urinary tract as needles which physically damage the surrounding tissue, like kidney/bladder stones from hell
Worst is if the post-nasal drip is swallowed, as this leads to greater hepatic metabolism and particularly heavy users may even experience gastric damage. (Perhaps this should go in a K harm-reduction post.)
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The Traveler
I'll put it on the list
I had no idea it could also cause gastric damage, I've always swallowed the drip because I can't be bothered expelling it while I can barely distinguish the room I'm in...I'll definitely help keep an eye on it, as with the rest of the forum.
Ketamine bladder 'toxicity' is due to the poor solubility of its metabolite, norketamine, in urine. This then crystalises out in various parts of the urinary tract as needles which physically damage the surrounding tissue, like kidney/bladder stones from hell
[Edit: I'm sure the resulting localised high concentrations of norket don't do much for tissue survival either…]
Worst is if the post-nasal drip is swallowed, as this leads to greater hepatic metabolism and particularly heavy users may even experience gastric damage. (Perhaps this should go in a K harm-reduction post.)
Let me know if I can contribute in any way to this sticky, I'd be happy to help in any and all harm reduction efforts.
I'll admit the gastric damage is a bit anecdotal but this was someone whom I knew personally; their chaotic lifestyle meant that ending up in hospital for gastric surgery could have had a number of additional factors. There's a high chance that someone in that scene at that time won't have restricted themselves to one substance. Alcohol, amphetamine, MDMA and a poor diet are prime candidates as contributing factors to their difficulties - to the extent that it's unfair to point the finger at one single factor. All the same, it's still better to avoid swallowing the drip, especially if one uses relatively large amounts of ketamine.
We can transfer this conversation to the new subforum once I've moved/copied these couple of relevant posts there.
We can transfer this conversation to the new subforum once I've moved/copied these couple of relevant posts there.
John Cunningham Lilly - there was someone who really put the Special into 'Special K'… someone who made a science out of ketamine abuse where others of lesser calibre would have perished long before. He also developed the floatation tank, spoke to dolphins, and mapped out the LSD space - sometimes combining all three. A thoroughly interesting individual, he would also have much to say about the current race to adopt computerised "AI" systems were he alive and coherent today. Indeed, in his work, "The Scientist - a Metaphysical Autobiography" he explores the consequences of what he called the "solid state entity" or SSE, which seems more relevant than ever. Highly recommended reading.
Lilly was a pioneer and a true scientist in more ways than one. I have nothing but admiration for this man, however I have to admit I haven't read the book you mention @Transform, I should probably check that out, but my to-read list is already overflowing and the time I have available for reading/listening seems to be shrinking 
I'm planning on share a few quotes from the book in the coming weeks. Very pertinent to the AI discussion. He deserves his own thread, as a somewhat underappreciated keystone of psychedelic research.
Completely agree, and would love to read about the relevance of what he said in the context of today's rise of AI.
Putting our best foot (feet?) forward, I started a ketamine safety thread in the new subforum. Thanks for putting that together so quickly @The Traveler 