Exp. Report Not sure what I made

[gummybluerat]

Hey all. Been lurking this forum for a week or two, and wanted to ask a few questions, but I feel like it would make more sense with some explanation.

For those of you who would rather just hear a TL;DR, here are my questions:

Is it normal not to see geometric patterns and instead see a cartoon rendition of your surroundings? Are the visuals one sees on DMT more related to the purity (or impurity) than your state of mind, or are they related to something different altogether? Is there any way I can increase the chances of seeing geometric patterns without closing my eyes?

The story below will hopefully explain my reasoning for asking these questions.

Back in the day I got my hands on a DMT vape cart. I was told that four or five full hits held for 10 seconds each would cause a breakthrough. I was hesitant to break through at first and wanted to build up to it. One night, after I felt comfortable, I decided to try four hits. I didn't break through that night. But I did see what I expected to see, a moving geometric pattern replaced a bush that I was staring at. (See first image: comparison1.png)

However, after that I had pretty much burnt through the cart, and for various reasons I was not inclined to get my hands on another one.

Fast forward a few years, and I decided to make my own cart. This one was considerably more concentrated, and two hits equated to more than four hits of the cart I previously had.

This time, for whatever reason, the visuals I saw were nothing like the ones I saw that night. I have seen it mentioned once or twice in the short time I have known about this forum, but it appeared I was in a "fun house" version of my surroundings: the scale was different, objects turned into other objects, and overall everything had a technicolor palette to it. No geometric patterns, and for whatever reason the "head high" (not really sure what else to call it) was much more debilitating: I was unable to do anything but look at my surroundings and say "huh", "what IS that??", etc. (See second image: comparison2.png)

At first I thought it was the lighting, that my surroundings were too bright, so I tried again, in a darkened room. During this attempt I had an encounter with an entity, or at least I think I did. Whatever I saw looked like the men's restroom symbol or The Black Stick Man (google it). Other than that, I don't really remember much, however I definitely didn't see any geometric patterns.

Anyway, long story short I am not sure if I made the cart correctly, or if I made some other compound accidentally or what happened. I used STB method with MHRB.

It's been a few months since I've tried anything, just wanted to take a break and focus on my priorities and hobbies. Now that I have more free time, I am thinking about trying again, but I would like to see the geometric patterns I saw and have heard described before.

Note: The only difference I can think of is that the first time, when I saw the geometric patterns, I was not on any medication for depression, however the more recent time when I saw the "fun house" visuals, I was on prozac 40mg

If this post is in the wrong place or I mentioned something I shouldn't have, please let me know

 

[brokedownpalace10]

I'm not really answering your question, but the "patterns" I see on DMT are not the ones I've heard described, which would be classic psychedelic CEV.
I'm not sure I can describe them well but they are (for instance) 3d layering of bright "bars". They're very angular and mostly right angles, vertical and horizontal. Going a little further and it's glimpses of stair landings and tables and mexican houses. It's not really what I expected after years of reading about it.
Just a little Harmala makes the colors more subdued and the visions less angular and "machine like". Acacia does similar and is more physical.
There have been times that I got almost nothing. Just a buzz. Maybe I was just looking for a buzz then and that's what I got.
So, I'm thinking everybody is different, every experience is different, and slight amounts of different things from different plants can change things.
I wouldn't worry about nuttin'.

 

[Transform]

Just a little Harmala makes the colors more subdued and the visions less angular and "machine like".

The only difference I can think of is that the first time, when I saw the geometric patterns, I was not on any medication for depression, however the more recent time when I saw the "fun house" visuals, I was on prozac 40mg

Just in case, it's important to know that harmalas should not be used alongside SSRI medications like prozac, but only after a suitable cessation period.

As @brokedownpalace10 says, the visions can be essentially anything at all, from practically nothing to full-blown immersion in a too-bizarre-for-words alternate universe. Have you tried it with your eyes shut yet, @gummybluerat? You seem to be describing OEV's so far.

 

[Wolfnippletip]

No mystery here. Different day, different dose, different baseline brain chemistry. On sub-breakthrough doses I've seen laser crisp cartoon land with no geometric fractals. I've seen the room open up into some kind of Casino and was under the distinct impression I was inside a Pyramid/Temple hurtling through deep space (still no geometric patterns I can recall). On another occasion, on a lower dose I looked in the mirror and my face looked like some kind of idealized caricature of myself covered in tiny shimmering undulating crystals. It was utterly unlike the "morphing putty" LSD in the mirror effect and was fascinating to watch.

 

[alien king]

In regards to geometry and open eyed vs. closed I can say a few things.

I have seen 'geometry' per se but it was always through breakthrough. It seems that most times when I breakthrough there is an array of shaped figures all mimicking each other in color and motion, that surround a larger similar shaped figure representing the center of it all. And they just sit there with you and vibrate in emotion it seems. It is geometric and wavy and sorts.

In regards to open eyed experiences I haven't seen much of geometry, i mean you can get into a trance and all and go pretty deep and see some interesting things but all in all I think the bread and butter is with closing your eyes.

I would recommend you take your timing learning the ropes and different levels of dmt, theres no need at all to go blasting through the doors. Take hits as you please and only go higher when you want more and are willing to explore and feel through that stuff. That's what I did and I can basically breakthrough by just walking through the door, just hit by hit until youre high enough and then all it takes is one more big hit, and i mean minutes or so after you take them. Just take your time and you'll be fine.

 

[Daig83]

In regards to geometry and open eyed vs. closed I can say a few things.

I have seen 'geometry' per se but it was always through breakthrough. It seems that most times when I breakthrough there is an array of shaped figures all mimicking each other in color and motion, that surround a larger similar shaped figure representing the center of it all. And they just sit there with you and vibrate in emotion it seems. It is geometric and wavy and sorts.

In regards to open eyed experiences I haven't seen much of geometry, i mean you can get into a trance and all and go pretty deep and see some interesting things but all in all I think the bread and butter is with closing your eyes.

I would recommend you take your timing learning the ropes and different levels of dmt, theres no need at all to go blasting through the doors. Take hits as you please and only go higher when you want more and are willing to explore and feel through that stuff. That's what I did and I can basically breakthrough by just walking through the door, just hit by hit until youre high enough and then all it takes is one more big hit, and i mean minutes or so after you take them. Just take your time and you'll be fine.

Thank you for these words. Summed up my feelings and fears and lessons learned through my early forays into the world beyond. Thank you.

 

[PolarisZ]

I'm not really answering your question, but the "patterns" I see on DMT are not the ones I've heard described, which would be classic psychedelic CEV.
I'm not sure I can describe them well but they are (for instance) 3d layering of bright "bars". They're very angular and mostly right angles, vertical and horizontal. Going a little further and it's glimpses of stair landings and tables and mexican houses. It's not really what I expected after years of reading about it.
Just a little Harmala makes the colors more subdued and the visions less angular and "machine like". Acacia does similar and is more physical.
There have been times that I got almost nothing. Just a buzz. Maybe I was just looking for a buzz then and that's what I got.
So, I'm thinking everybody is different, every experience is different, and slight amounts of different things from different plants can change things.
I wouldn't worry about nuttin'.

This sorta reminds me of what I've seen on multiple substances. Maybe my descriptions would be like curvy pipes, huge clusters of them, brightly and uniquely colored, curling in these intricate structures ranging from dense to wireframes. Fast moving closeups and more distant shifting shapes.

 

[brokedownpalace10]

This sorta reminds me of what I've seen on multiple substances. Maybe my descriptions would be like curvy pipes, huge clusters of them, brightly and uniquely colored, curling in these intricate structures ranging from dense to wireframes. Fast moving closeups and more distant shifting shapes.

That sounds like we might be describing the same thing. (better description)

 

[acacian]

DMT visions can be wildly variable.. it is common for them to be grounded in some kind of geometry.. but it can break this rule whenever it likes. The visions can manifest all across the spectrum .. from cartoon, to real life, to jaw dropping divine geometric intelligences coarsing through you checking your physical/spiritual health.. it’s pretty endless.

I’d suggest first and foremost abandoning any desire to see what you’ve seen before or what others say you should see, and just allow it to do what it will. You might find when you truly give yourself over to it, it changes its tone a little.. this has certainly been the case for me anyways.

I think this is one of the key ways of showing respect to the experience.

 

[PolarisZ]

That sounds like we might be describing the same thing. (better description)

Glad I'm not the only one seeing them.

I've seen the distant wireframes a few times on high dosages of shrooms, and mostly the closeups on DMT, though with the occasional far away wireframe landscape.

Aya has been interesting regarding them. On one trip, I was shown simpler designs attached to us, changing shape and form based on our real world actions and intents. It was treated as something really important.