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noticed how different the UV light looks under different tryptamines?

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GlobalPredictor

GlobalPredictor

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1. has anyone ever noticed how different the UV light looks under different tryptamines?

my experience shows each compound has its own UV light signature. for instance:

-shrooms - the moment psilocybin hits your membranes, an visual imprint of a geometric bee-hive-perfect hexagon structure appears
traced with dark ballpoint upon the lamp (i will try to find an image for this). This overlay image appears completely stable, looking much as if one wrapped a regular wire fence over the bulb.
- LSA has a somewhat similar, but more erratic design, constantly shifting shapes, unstable geometry fluctuating between various states o dynamic hypermatter.
- DMT unlike the2 prior cases, where the light bulb is still partially visible through the wire grids, simply does not let you see the bulb itself due to ultra-high luminosity dissolving the image. the entire thing looks like a blue neon cloud pregnant with 3D holographic honeycombs growing right upon the emanating laser beams.

2. smoking matters: spice mixed with salvia, MJ and a bit of tobacco works wonders. has anyone ever considered this, as opposed to the fancy vap teks that never seem to work?

3. as opposed to shrooms, DMT seems to have much LESS spiritual depth, focusing mainly on the graphic part of the experience. is this correct, anyone agree?
 

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Maybe you arent breaking through?

DMT is much much more than just graphics, it is extremely spiritual and emotional and intence, it shook me enough to completely change who i am and the way i look EVERYTHING.. I dunno maybe its just not your thing!
 
GlobalPredictor said:
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2. smoking matters: spice mixed with salvia, MJ and a bit of tobacco works wonders. has anyone ever considered this, as opposed to the fancy vap teks that never seem to work?

3. as opposed to shrooms, DMT seems to have much LESS spiritual depth, focusing mainly on the graphic part of the experience. is this correct, anyone agree?
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2. Which “fancy vap teks” never seem to work?

3. Have you tried DMT with harmalas? My first deep “spiritual” DMT experience was also my first using harmalas (sublingually).

You seem to be very focused on OEVs. Have you ever tried closing your eyes? You’ll see much more with your eyes closed. :)
 
i usually do ALL my travel with eyes closed. however, this topic was NOT about whether or not one hallucinates, it was specifically related to looking directly at UV (halogen) lights while under influence. if you never saw a halogen lamp under influence, please oblige yourself to this unholy endeavor before you contribute. thank you so much
 
Not that he needs it, but in Gibran's defense, your post had 3 points, two of which he adressed. Maybe you want to edit it to narrow down the discussion?
 
my apologies to gibran2.
2. i live in europe and have been unable to get my hands on proper glass smoking gear (or rather too lazy to look for it), so i have experimented with pipe, bong and roach in infinite applications. While the first two methods proved highly ineffective (spice would either burn out too fast or i'd choke on fumes, thus up to .07 gms of spice would go to waste per try), the spliff experience was very smooth and visual indeed. however, all along my several visits into the DMT realms, i remained perfectly focused and in VERY clear mind, capable of hyper-seeing only with my eyes closed.
thus, the "fancy teks" refers to methods of consumption described herein, which omit even the possibility of slow-burn use and insist on pipe/"machine"/copper bush bong methods, which i found VERY ineffective.
3. no, unfortuanately i have not tried harmalas. would you be so kind as to advise me on a specific product/herb in this regard? (i've been unable to pinpoint the best suitable candidate)
PS: my focus is actually in the spiritual side of ANY trip; OEVs are just an observation i make when it comes to distinguishing between various alkaloids, beacause they all have different visual signatures.
i truly don't think i've had a breakthrough yet, so any advice is very welcome.
 
GlobalPredictor said:
1. has anyone ever noticed how different the UV light looks under different tryptamines?

2. smoking matters: spice mixed with salvia, MJ and a bit of tobacco works wonders. has anyone ever considered this, as opposed to the fancy vap teks that never seem to work?

3. as opposed to shrooms, DMT seems to have much LESS spiritual depth, focusing mainly on the graphic part of the experience. is this correct, anyone agree?
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1. No comment, other than I find it interesting that for someone who is working real hard to convince people of the lack of spiritual value in DMT, you are all hung up on how UV light looks while under the influence. Could you not find any shallower component of the experience to get all obsessive over?

2. Marijuana, in my experience, dumbs down the experience considerably. I've not tried mixing it with salvia - but if I want to smoke salvia, I'll probably just smoke salvia; I don't need the two radically different compounds fighting over my attention. And as for tobacco, I guess that works if you smoke tobacco; I don't, so it sounds like ass to me. There are, however, some pretty tried and true "fancy vap teks" available here that don't require too much of a learning curve.

3. Again - perhaps this just isn't for you. Or... perhaps YOU are lacking in spiritual depth. The mirror can't reflect what ain't there.
 
@ Uncle Knucles:
1. never tried convincing any1 of anything, just stated my observations, but thanx 4 your inputs, maestro.
2. there's really no need to stick to words & phrases here. if i sounded somewhat cocky and/or opinionated - i honestly apologize, for such was not my intention. i'm new to this forum and the whole DMT thing, so plz cut me some slack.
3. perhaps it is not. perhaps i lay at the spiritual bottom of existential ladder, as compared to you, dear astral planer. however, it does not mean i'm gonna accept your subliminal insults powered by your alleged authority here! i may not have expressed myself clearly enough, +there appears to be a misunderstanding of some sort, and my timid sparkle of experience may in fact be too dim as compared to your supernova of psychedelic knowledge, but that is no reason to unleash your macro ego on my micro mistakes. show some lenience and wisdom, your arrogance isn't impressing anybody! whooosaaaaa...
 
what do you mean by uv/halogen light? i know both bulbs use a halogen gas, but in the usa halogen bulbs refer to a specific type of bulb(ultra bright, often some odd rainbow colors in the bulb. and uv is 425nm, black lights or purple/violet bulb/tubes.


so are you looking at a bright like of a purple one?

i see very odd things when i look at my uv tubes. ive lived in a primarily uv lit enviroment for about 6 years. i find it nice to tag things with uv reactive paint/tags. its like having a quick access heads up display when looking for things.
 
GlobalPredictor said:
i truly don't think i've had a breakthrough yet, so any advice is very welcome.
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Here's the method i use, it's worked well for me so far:

1. Get a glass pipe (i use the 'steamroller' type) and a couple of screens.
2. Put the screens in the bowl with a decent layer of ash on top.
3. Place your dmt on top of this layer and cover with more ash.
4. Put a flame near the bowl and start sucking.
5. Don't let the flame come into contact with the dmt/ash layer, just let it heat things (a torch style lighter makes this easier)
6. After a short while a big cloud of vapor will enter your lungs, hold it there.
7. Quickly return to the pipe and repeat steps 4-6 until the world starts to dissolve
 
LandOfOz said:
what do you mean by uv/halogen light? i know both bulbs use a halogen gas, but in the usa halogen bulbs refer to a specific type of bulb(ultra bright, often some odd rainbow colors in the bulb. and uv is 425nm, black lights or purple/violet bulb/tubes.


so are you looking at a bright like of a purple one?

i see very odd things when i look at my uv tubes. ive lived in a primarily uv lit enviroment for about 6 years. i find it nice to tag things with uv reactive paint/tags. its like having a quick access heads up display when looking for things.
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i mean this: Ultraviolet - Wikipedia
i have my place UV tagged also, i find it adds to any psychedelic experience. my observation refers to looking directly at the lamp while on different substances. i actually use UV to determine the onset and was wondering if anyone else had the same visual imprint as described at the top :)
 
Rastakolnikov said:
GlobalPredictor said:
i truly don't think i've had a breakthrough yet, so any advice is very welcome.
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Here's the method i use, it's worked well for me so far:

1. Get a glass pipe (i use the 'steamroller' type) and a couple of screens.
2. Put the screens in the bowl with a decent layer of ash on top.
3. Place your dmt on top of this layer and cover with more ash.
4. Put a flame near the bowl and start sucking.
5. Don't let the flame come into contact with the dmt/ash layer, just let it heat things (a torch style lighter makes this easier)
6. After a short while a big cloud of vapor will enter your lungs, hold it there.
7. Quickly return to the pipe and repeat steps 4-6 until the world starts to dissolve
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Thanx Rasta, will definitely do that :)
ЗЫ: ты не русский случайно?
 
GlobalPredictor said:
..i have my place UV tagged also, i find it adds to any psychedelic experience. my observation refers to looking directly at the lamp while on different substances. i actually use UV to determine the onset and was wondering if anyone else had the same visual imprint as described at the top :)...
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I like those layers/grids, how they appear, trace, change and behave to suggestion and other input. Very entertaining in the early stages of a trip. About an hour after the (truffle)peak the open eye visuals tend to change into the sort of crispy-ness of mescaline visuals. with different accents, different patterns and colors, as compared to those in the early stages of the trip.

Im going to try the uv some day, see if i can get those clear honeycombs you describe. I have seen grids of pink honeycombs while tripping hard on mushrooms, but never in the onset. Would be interesting to see if they are there on the blacklight. would be nice if the uv light turns out to be a good way to distinguish (type) some visual effects. I like your idea.

edit: btw in my single LSA experience (cold water extract of morning glory seeds) the visuals (grids) were indeed very much like mushroom visuals. I remember i concluded they were almost identical in appearance. (Another conclusion was the bodyload of such an extract is terrible, heavy body, nailing me to the bed.)
 
It's possible that I was overly aggressive in my response. I'm not going to engage you in a pissing match.

I just didn't (and don't) care for the repeated characterization of something I hold to be fairly sacred as empty or spiritually hollow. I mean, would you walk into somebody's house of worship and belittle their chosen faith? Or at least wait a bit longer than 24 hours within joining to actually do so?

This ain't my church, but the experience for me IS communion with God; it's as close to an actual state of grace as I'm likely to find in this lifetime. If it's not for you, whatever the fuck ever. For me, it's been utterly life changing.
 
^^Honestly who cares if you think dmt is spiritual? I don't. I also don't think the OP intended to downgrade the dmt experience only to point out that he has had more rewarding experiences with other psychedelics. Big deal. Get over it. I'd love to belittle your faith. I think people who make up god while under the influence of drugs are deluded. There whine about that one.

Personally I like to play with the visual effects of low doses of dmt. Its very entertaining. Yep I said it entertaining. Like watching a movie.

I don't really have blacklights but one light I like to use is those balls that slowly change colors from like green to red to yellow to blue etc. Dmt with just those lights on in the room makes for some nice effects.
 
Alright, Burnt. You may be a genius in the lab and all, but you're kind of a fucking dick. This is no news flash to anyone here. You're prone to bi-polar tantrums.

Why don't you take that pretty ball that turns colors and shove it up your ass, then smoke a low dose and think of me? I'll be that dude in hyperspace whose dick you are sucking. How's that for a trippy visual?
 
Come on guys, do we really need this? I think art had a point regarding criticising the impulse some have of trying to belittle what someone holds as a very important experience. At the same time art did write it pretty harshly, but later he had recognized it and tried to explain better.

Burnt you may disagree with spiritual views, probably because of your previous experiences with religions and religious people in life, but I think you are wrong to project this anger to every single person and idea that even remotely uses spiritual ideas, specially if they are not related to any negative impact on others (unlike some religions). Like this you just come of as very intolerant, you will piss people off (as you see), creating a negative atmosphere, and yet you are not actually giving good arguments why so so therefore your intolerance isnt being constructive in any way.

If you think a specific belief is unreasonable, give good arguments why, if you want, but to just directly say you want to 'belittle' someone's faith and to say that people can 'whine' about it, is against the forum's attitude that we're working hard to establish, its not going to change anybody's opinion and its very poor argumentative-wise. This forum shouldnt be a place to vent one's frustrations while disregarding other people's views and being disrespectful like this, please do not do this here! Its not like anybody in this forum doesnt already know how against religions you are, so if you want to keep showing your views, instead of short angry posts without any good arguments, maybe better just avoid these posts altogether and post things against religious thought only when they are relevant, when they relate to dangerous/unreasonable ideas, and when you're giving good arguments against it, and not just releasing your frustrations?

And art, shoving pretty color-changing balls up the ass might have a 'lol' factor, I'll give you that, but come on, it really neither is going to help the situation and will just create more negative responses back. Now you both go to the 'punishment' room and dont come out until you're both loving each other again :p
 
I'm not critisizing anyones spiritual views but what I am critisizing is the holier then thou attitude. What I mean by that is the attitude that if anyone uses dmt and doesn't consider it to be the holiest of holies then they are just a moron who deserves to be ridiculed. Which is exactly what Art did to the OP.

Either way Art if you haven't noticed your kind of a dick too.

Anyway maybe its time for another break. Later.
 
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