official extraction help thread

[psilocybin]

Any questions or problems you may run into during an extraction can be asked to get other members input in this thread.

 

[Earthwalker]

I've had failures with TEKS as well.
Finally I got sick of failing so I made My own 'tek' after years of reading various types here on the Nexus and elsewhere. I also read up on the solubility of DMT and the PH levels best to get it out [[ above 8.5 I believe ]] of the 'Material'/Plant Matter/Vegetation. I THINK the following may even work for the 'Grasses' and the 'Leafs' containing Deemsters -
I take the ACRB and do a COLD WATER extraction with Citric Acid. It takes longer[[ About a week ]] but I find it keeps a lot of the 'fats' and 'oils' out. I just cover about an inch or so above the bark with SPRING WATER [[ NOT tap. I don't know where YOU live but there is all kinds of crap in tap water that can effect the process where I live so I spend the little bit of cash for Spring ]]and shake it up every now and then for a the first 36 hours. Then strain and do it again but this time it's already saturated so I only do it for a day. I do this about four times. Usually for the last one I'll freeze it first. Then I'll proceed to soak in acidified spring water for about 12 hours and strain.
I don't grind up the bark, I don't do anything with it, I just take it as I get it [[ Shredded ]] and it works just fine. I tried grinding it up first but it made no difference besides being a little quicker.
I combine all the extracts in gallon jugs and keep them REFRIGERATED or else mold can grow. Then I simply reduce to about a fourth of it's original volume, filter while HOT a few times to get any fibers out and after it cools I use calcium carbonate to get it up to around PH 8 and then a little lye to bring it to above 10, or, as soon as the emulsion from the calcium carbonate dissolves, it's ready.
Then I only use hot heptane [[ in a water bath ]]and I keep the Brew hot as well.
When I'm all done pulling, I go back and use 25/75 Heptane/Naptha to pull whatever there is left, usually mostly NMT and the 'Goo' [[ Which I find to be enjoyable in it's own right ]].
I have tried boiling the bark then filtering and reducing but it just made it way too oily and I got a LOT of the 'goo' and a few crystals that way, unless I used a 'slow evaporation' method. Then the crystals would grow but on the bottom would be the goo so I'd have to drain off the solvent then pick the crystals away from the goo.
I think that the more time taken to get the goods, the better results but I havent tried a dry tech yet and I'm not sure if I want to do that with ACRB. Mimosa is available if you know how to find it [[ Using different names ]] but it's double the cost of what I get the ACRB for so... Whatever you do: DON'T GIVE UP ! It took Me a few tries to get My own process down but it's worth the effort. I even have gotten crystals that LOOKED great but did NOTHING and believe me THAT was frustrating ! So, keep trying, you'll find a TEK or come up with your own, if you really really really want it - Good Luck Friend !

What's the point of doing a more or less a cold water stb on ACRB also why do you do a freeze with the last soak ???

 

[BlackNoise]

It appears I've gotten some water in my naptha pulls and now there is a chunk of ice in the tray after I put it away for freeze precipitation. Any ideas on how to get rid of it? Evaporation seems to be taking its sweet time.

 

[Earthwalker]

It appears I've gotten some water in my naptha pulls and now there is a chunk of ice in the tray after I put it away for freeze precipitation. Any ideas on how to get rid of it? Evaporation seems to be taking its sweet time.

How did you get water in the dish ? :shock: didn't you seal the dish with cling wrap or any other means ?

And the freeze precipe I some cases takes about 12-18-24 hrs but if you keep opening the freezer bumping the dish to have a peak it will take a hell of a lot longer ! In any case if there's ice or water in it you're properly going to have to recrystalize it !

 

[Animystic]

Hey Earthwalker,

I'm convinced that the 100g ACRB extraction you described here: ACRB TEK 100g "PICS" (Newbie Friendly) - A/B - Welcome to the DMT-Nexus is one that I can pull off easily since I have some experience. I'm just a little curious about the 2 liter bottle used in the initial pulls. In the picture it looks plastic. Is it? And is it safe to basify and pull from a plastic bottle? I'm assuming it is glass and just looks plastic, but wanted to make sure.

Thanks!

 

[cranky dude]

Hi, I've been wondering if this would would be any good for an acrb extraction. It has been recomended to me for a medicinal cannibis oil extraction. Thoughts?




Thankyou,
Cranky


Ps: I'm in Australia if that helps, shellite is the alternative.

 

[Earthwalker]

Hey Earthwalker,

I'm convinced that the 100g ACRB extraction you described here: ACRB TEK 100g "PICS" (Newbie Friendly) - A/B - Welcome to the DMT-Nexus is one that I can pull off easily since I have some experience. I'm just a little curious about the 2 liter bottle used in the initial pulls. In the picture it looks plastic. Is it? And is it safe to basify and pull from a plastic bottle? I'm assuming it is glass and just looks plastic, but wanted to make sure.

Thanks!

Hi Animystic , yes you're correct it is plastic , I dont usually use plastic as there's numerous nasties but I had nothing else to use at the time off that piticular extraction ! And you really should use glassware when possible ! :thumb_up:

 

[Animystic]

Thanks for the info Earthwalker! And for the tek. I'm just having trouble finding a 2 liter glass bottle with the right shape. I might settle on a 1.5 liter bottle that's perfectly shaped and use a little less water. Hopefully a half liter won't make a big difference or make the soup too thick. Only one way to find out!

 

[Earthwalker]

Thanks for the info Earthwalker! And for the tek. I'm just having trouble finding a 2 liter glass bottle with the right shape. I might settle on a 1.5 liter bottle that's perfectly shaped and use a little less water. Hopefully a half liter won't make a big difference or make the soup too thick. Only one way to find out!

1,5 ltr be cool just use less water on the salt salination part and use less water on the basifying just keep the weights of materials the same unless you have a ph meter ,! All should be fine it'll just be alittle thicker , so just mix the naps more thoroughly through the base mix !! :thumb_up:

Btw this is what I love seeing , more self experimentation on extractions and abit of good ol research showing initiative for thinking on you're feet & not asking for info and giving up because you're not being told what or how to do things ! Well done you've got my vote ! :thumb_up:

 

[Animystic]

Thanks EW!

I've been doing the goo for a little while, but now I'm convinced I can get the fluffy stuff I hear so much about, thanks to the tek. Not to say the goo isn't righteous, just want to try a more pure form and also a different mix of herbs for the changa! I've had a "blast" with goo and mullein. I have dream herb and caapi vine (no leaf) so I might just go with that. My first ever was goo and peppermint and that was amazing so maybe a bit of peppermint in there this time as well. Will be diving into my first attempt at a larger 100g ext tomorrow! Can't wait to bypass the acid boils! Fingers crossed!

 

[Earthwalker]

Thanks EW!

and also a different mix of herbs for the changa! I've had a "blast" with goo and mullein. I have dream herb and caapi vine (no leaf) so I might just go with that. My first ever was goo and peppermint and that was amazing so maybe a bit of peppermint in there this time as well. Will be diving into my first attempt at a larger 100g ext tomorrow! Can't wait to bypass the acid boils! Fingers crossed!

I use mullein for the lungs then passionflower for prolonging the trip ...........I mainly use these as a even ratio 35-40 % & peppermint 20% for taste but you'll need to find the ideal mix for you !:thumb_up: I wish you all the best goodluck 8)

 

[BabalonBorne]

Hey Earthwalker!

I've been studying your Noob Friendly (which I am) ACRB TEK for 100g for about a little over.. a month now and I believe I'm ready to take the plunge and perform my very first extraction! First off thank you for explaining EVERYTHING in such great detail! I've studied dozens of teks and was moved to a few favoured until you wrote up this gem! Anywho, I do have a few questions that I hope I can bother you over.

In the acidification, I would like to use citric acid. mainly because I feel it would be more "natural". You mentioned that you prefer hydrochloric acid. So that being said, with your preference (amongst your reputation for holding a plethora of knowledge) chosen, I'm almost immediately decided on switching to hydrochloric acid.

Is there anything you could tell me about using citric acid instead? Some pros or cons or personal opinions, even? I definitely have a few more questions, but I would hate to overload you, so I'll give it out one at a time.

Your help is greatly appreciated and thank you for all the work you do!

 

[Earthwalker]

Hey Earthwalker!

I've been studying your Noob Friendly (which I am) ACRB TEK for 100g for about a little over.. a month now and I believe I'm ready to take the plunge and perform my very first extraction! First off thank you for explaining EVERYTHING in such great detail! I've studied dozens of teks and was moved to a few favoured until you wrote up this gem! Anywho, I do have a few questions that I hope I can bother you over.

In the acidification, I would like to use citric acid. mainly because I feel it would be more "natural". You mentioned that you prefer hydrochloric acid. So that being said, with your preference (amongst your reputation for holding a plethora of knowledge) chosen, I'm almost immediately decided on switching to hydrochloric acid.

Is there anything you could tell me about using citric acid instead? Some pros or cons or personal opinions, even? I definitely have a few more questions, but I would hate to overload you, so I'll give it out one at a time.

Your help is greatly appreciated and thank you for all the work you do!

Hi BabalonBorne , thank you for you're kind words , I haven't used citric acid personally but have spoke to many that have and they had a steep decline in yeild , quite significantly actually , if you don't feel comefortable using acid just go with white vinegar it's food safe and gets the job done , IMO when using hydrochloric acid it gives a lower ph then using vinegar and I theories that this helps breakdown the bark a lot quicker and in doing this I get the same yeild results from a 1-1/2 hour soak as per Cybs salt TEK then I do a 8hr soak as per the Cybs max-ion TEK gives , so for that reason I go with the hydrochloric acid !
Hope this helps :thumb_up:

 

[BabalonBorne]

That definitely helps. Hydrochloric Acid it is. Vinegar is tempting, but as much as I would love to have eight hours to devote to soaking, my schedule can get rather hectic at any given moment on a regular basis.

Now I'm going to apologize in advanced if I happen to get on your nerves in the next few days.. I never like to assume anything, so I tend to be that one person that asks A LOT of questions. For now, I only have one more, however I imagine as I get closer to actually extracting, I'll become very annoying, hehe.

Ok, so when your doing your first naptha pulls, you throw 300ml into a heat bath. Have I understood correctly that the warming batch is left to get warm and happy for your pulls at the end? Meanwhile, you're just using room temp naptha for your first round of pulls, 50ml at a time?

 

[Earthwalker]

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Now I'm going to apologize in advanced if I happen to get on your nerves in the next few days.. I never like to assume anything, so I tend to be that one person that asks A LOT of questions. For now, I only have one more, however I imagine as I get closer to actually extracting, I'll become very annoying, hehe.

Ok, so when your doing your first naptha pulls, you throw 300ml into a heat bath. Have I understood correctly that the warming batch is left to get warm and happy for your pulls at the end? Meanwhile, you're just using room temp naptha for your first round of pulls, 50ml at a time?

Questions are a good thing and I don't mind answering any but I think I speak for all members when I say that if you can find the answer in FAQ or using the search feature to look up other topics of similar intrist then questions will be answered , anyway !!

Heat up enough naps to cover six pulls I usually have a boiling hot bath within that 350-400ml and reheat or exchange the water for bath with fresh boiling water ! In other word get you're solvent nice and hot !! And Don't worry about ppl saying you'll be pulling other nasty oils and fats with the hot naps , because if you do pull
( nasties ) the mini ab will sort that out strt away !!

 

[BabalonBorne]

Right on, thank you so much Earthwalker!

Also, I did read and have (to the best of my knowledge) utilized the search feature as much as possible and I'll continue to do so. Unfortunately, I was unable to find some detailed clarification on a few things. So please don't take my nagging as a form of laziness. I respect everyone's time and efforts and would hate to be burden towards anyone helpful.

Thanks again and I hope you have a good one!

 

[Animystic]

So I've hit a bump in the road during the mini A/B of the original pulls. I acidified the pulls and added naphtha, then pulled off the naphtha containing the plant oils. I then added a strong solution of NaOH (50g/300ml) to the acidified solution. I've heated fresh naphtha and done pulls on the new solution, but the pulls seem very clear and unsaturated. More importantly, what appears to be the sweet alkaloids are still floating in the based solution. It's like the alkaloids precipitated out and now the naphtha can't dissolve them. I'm thinking maybe I'm not heating the naphtha to a hot enough temperature, but wanted to know if anyone has had this problem and solved it in a different way.

Thanks in advance for any sage advice!

 

[anrchy]

Dont worry about what the pulls look like, just toss em in the freezer. Unless im missing something if its not dissolving into the solvent either your solvent its saturated or what you think is dmt is not and does not need to be worried about.

Just pull, then pull some more.

 

[RideFree]

please help me

have done a new a/b extraction on MHRB, pulled with the WRONG Naptha (had zwo different Napthas at home, one with aromatic :x ) and let it crystalize in the freezer

after freezing and waiting for about 4 days, it smells still like aromatics.. fuck!

my plan is:

dissolve the crystals in water + vinegar to get DMT-Acetate; then, hopefully i should see the aromatics at the top of the mix to get them out?! after that,basifing and pulling with the correct naptha and freeze again..

do you think that works? or is there a better tek for cleaning crystals from wrong non-polar solvent? (maybe FASA -> freeze -> decant FASA -> ready?)

thank you Nexians!
RF

edit:
okay, i think i'm going the FASA-Way
seems to be a good method to get a clean product

 

[Earthwalker]

So I've hit a bump in the road during the mini A/B of the original pulls. I acidified the pulls and added naphtha, then pulled off the naphtha containing the plant oils. I then added a strong solution of NaOH (50g/300ml) to the acidified solution. I've heated fresh naphtha and done pulls on the new solution, but the pulls seem very clear and unsaturated. More importantly, what appears to be the sweet alkaloids are still floating in the based solution. It's like the alkaloids precipitated out and now the naphtha can't dissolve them. I'm thinking maybe I'm not heating the naphtha to a hot enough temperature, but wanted to know if anyone has had this problem and solved it in a different way.

Thanks in advance for any sage advice!

Hi Animystic , no that clear naps is completely normal :thumb_up: , it's a good sign there's no fats or oils present in the pulls , just still pre-evape before freezing , just keep mixing and seperating 4 x 5 times just like pulling from the oridganal extraction ! It will eventually give it all up !!:twisted:

 

[Animystic]

Hi Earthwalker,

I've done some more pulls with hot sunnyside naphtha on my defatted and based pulls. I'm still getting next to nothing when I freeze precip. Only mere milligrams. And the white precipitate is still settling in the bottom of the based solution after I'm done pulling. I'm gonna try to post a picture of the precip so you'll have a better idea of what I'm talking about. The picture is of the precip in the bottom of my based solution. Looks like the goods, but wish I could get at them!

Thanks!