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dragon-n
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Hey everybody!! I have a quick question concerning my pedro extractions (done with 69ron's d-limonene tek), though i'm sure this would apply to other extracts in general. 69ron comments on cleaning the pedro extract with MEK (methyl ethyl ketone) to separate the mescaline from the rest of the alkaloids. this works like a charm! the thing i can't figure out is: i started with 650 mgs. crude extract, applied MEK, moved the MEK solution to another plate while the mescaline was left behind in the first plate. i dehydrated both plates so that one is pure mescaline and one is a composite of all the other alkaloids. upon scraping up my goods i find i have 220 mgs. pure mescaline and 250 mgs. other alkaloids. that's a total of 470 mgs. I started with 650 mgs. where the heck did the other 180 mgs. go??? I scraped the plates well enough so that there couldn't possibly be 180 mgs. left behind on the plates. I thought that there should be round-a-bout the same amount before and after since I didn't throw any MEK away, I merely relocated it to another plate.
I've gotten the same results with a torch extract: started with 944 mgs. then after separating the alkaloids ended up with 712 mgs. without throwing any MEK away! I didn't think goo, tar, and alkaloids evaporated into thin air!
What do y'all think??? any comments...
I've gotten the same results with a torch extract: started with 944 mgs. then after separating the alkaloids ended up with 712 mgs. without throwing any MEK away! I didn't think goo, tar, and alkaloids evaporated into thin air!
What do y'all think??? any comments...
Touche Guevara
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Dragon, it sounds like your mescaline may be so potent that it broke the law of conservation of mass.
Other than that, I don't know.
Other than that, I don't know.thomas_kupai
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Hey
SWIM has done one MHRB Straight to Base extraction with my non polar solvent being; Perma Lighter Fluid. However has done a bufotenine recently and has lots of 99% IPA left.
SWIM was curious if SWIM could use the 99% IPA as a substitute non polar solvent in his next extraction of DMT
Thanks.
SWIM has done one MHRB Straight to Base extraction with my non polar solvent being; Perma Lighter Fluid. However has done a bufotenine recently and has lots of 99% IPA left.
SWIM was curious if SWIM could use the 99% IPA as a substitute non polar solvent in his next extraction of DMT
Thanks.
State of the Mind
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No sorry you cant.
IPA is soluble in water, so if you were to add IPA to the MHRB and lye solution it would not form the layer on top and you would not be able to collect the IPA.
Hope this helped :lol:
IPA is soluble in water, so if you were to add IPA to the MHRB and lye solution it would not form the layer on top and you would not be able to collect the IPA.
Hope this helped :lol:
Glorb
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Hi SWIY's... long time follower, first time poster here. First of all, this site has been the single most useful community SWIM has ever come across!
The etiquite in this forum is absolutely amazing
Swim's question is regarding the d-limo tech for san pedro. Swim managed a yield of 550mgs from 100g but only managed a slight giddiness for a few hours? Maybe twas the LSD from a few days ago, maybe it was highly impure... not enough experimentation has been done, BUT, SWIM found a jar that still had limo and vinegar in it hidden away in the cupboard. It must have been there for at least a week and what SWIM noticed was that the Limo had gone from a translucent yellow to a nearly completelyy clear color, whilst the vinegar had become very cloudy. SWIMS understanding of the TEK was that one would agitate the jar for 5 mins then decant the vinegar, but SWIM did at least 4 pulls and never had the limo change color? Is SWIM right in thinking that the color change indicates the transfer of all the alkaloids from base to acid?
Appreciate all the help SWIM can get
The etiquite in this forum is absolutely amazing
Swim's question is regarding the d-limo tech for san pedro. Swim managed a yield of 550mgs from 100g but only managed a slight giddiness for a few hours? Maybe twas the LSD from a few days ago, maybe it was highly impure... not enough experimentation has been done, BUT, SWIM found a jar that still had limo and vinegar in it hidden away in the cupboard. It must have been there for at least a week and what SWIM noticed was that the Limo had gone from a translucent yellow to a nearly completelyy clear color, whilst the vinegar had become very cloudy. SWIMS understanding of the TEK was that one would agitate the jar for 5 mins then decant the vinegar, but SWIM did at least 4 pulls and never had the limo change color? Is SWIM right in thinking that the color change indicates the transfer of all the alkaloids from base to acid?
Appreciate all the help SWIM can get
Welcome, Glorb. Was any heat used at all? SWIM's mescaline acetate has been quite finicky in the past, but it was likely due to heat used for evaporation. SWIM once broke through on 500mg but has even exceeded that dose to very little effect on every other occasion. The only other possible explanation SWIM can think of for such troubles would be the use of capsules hindering proper absorption, as can be the case with pharmahuasca. SWIM can't really speculate on the color change, though.
Glorb
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Thank you for replying Amor SWIM had the vinegar sitting slightly out of the oven in a ceramic baking dish and the temp was set to minimum (50C) with the fan running. The Resin was dissolved in hot coffee and administered orally. Is it possible to evap the vinegar using vacuum-distillation? SWIM has read many post's about the possible yield reduction due to heat but it also seems generally accepted that keeping the heat under 155F shouldn't pose any threat. Can SWIY remember what cactus was used for said breakthrough? Swim still needs to experiment with bridgsii and torch, and also with purification and patience
Peace Amor
SWIM had the vinegar sitting slightly out of the oven in a ceramic baking dish and the temp was set to minimum (50C) with the fan running. The Resin was dissolved in hot coffee and administered orally. Is it possible to evap the vinegar using vacuum-distillation? SWIM has read many post's about the possible yield reduction due to heat but it also seems generally accepted that keeping the heat under 155F shouldn't pose any threat. Can SWIY remember what cactus was used for said breakthrough? Swim still needs to experiment with bridgsii and torch, and also with purification and patience Peace Amor
Glorb said:Thank you for replying Amor
Peace Amor
SWIM's only ever extracted from torch. Vacuum distillation may be a bit much, but give it a try if SWIY has the means. SWIM evaps with a food dehydrator, which he considers the ideal method. His dehydrator has a temperature knob, and most of his evaporations were done around 150F and didn't turn out so great. He believes that much of the evap for the one he did break through with done in room temp. Unfortunately, his notes on the matter are rather sloppy.
SWIM's on hiatus from cactus for the season, but when the time comes, he'll be starting with HCl to get a feel for it, then he will work his way back into experimenting with the carbonate form as a nontoxic, odorless alternative.
hope it helps
lorentz5
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2 quick questions:
1. If one is using using lime, limonene, and FASW: after the first pull, when SWIM puts all of his bark back into his container to prepare for the second pull, should he add some more lime or is that unnecessary?
2. If one is lazy, and has FASW with the fumerate product captured after separating from limonene, is it possible to just leave the beaker open for a couple of days? As in, will this process eventually yield the fumerate and excess fumaric acid? (is heating to 175F or so via oven/dehydrator necessary?)
1. If one is using using lime, limonene, and FASW: after the first pull, when SWIM puts all of his bark back into his container to prepare for the second pull, should he add some more lime or is that unnecessary?
2. If one is lazy, and has FASW with the fumerate product captured after separating from limonene, is it possible to just leave the beaker open for a couple of days? As in, will this process eventually yield the fumerate and excess fumaric acid? (is heating to 175F or so via oven/dehydrator necessary?)
So i used loads of naptha on an stb. So much that it wont freeze precipitate and too much to evaporate off. I done 5 pulls using 1ml pergram of bark.. 250g so 5 x 250ml = 1250ml!!!!
I have been given an idea tho to help with my situation.
Here it is:
Make up some acidic water. (5% acetic acid vinigar has a ph of 2.4.. perfect)
Add the combined naptha pulls from my stb.
Shake the shit for a good ten minutes.
Settle.
Decant off the naptha.
RE basify the water. (how much lye?)
Add a layer of fresh hot naptha (not too much maybe 200ml?)
Decant off the naptha and freeze precip.
This method should help as i cant really evaporate a liter of naptha. I got the idea from Spiceman. I think it should be called a Kansas city shuffle.
Im going to try it in a couple of days when i can a$$ord to go and buy some acetic acid.
I have been given an idea tho to help with my situation.
Here it is:
Make up some acidic water. (5% acetic acid vinigar has a ph of 2.4.. perfect)
Add the combined naptha pulls from my stb.
Shake the shit for a good ten minutes.
Settle.
Decant off the naptha.
RE basify the water. (how much lye?)
Add a layer of fresh hot naptha (not too much maybe 200ml?)
Decant off the naptha and freeze precip.
This method should help as i cant really evaporate a liter of naptha. I got the idea from Spiceman. I think it should be called a Kansas city shuffle.
Im going to try it in a couple of days when i can a$$ord to go and buy some acetic acid.
beakon
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SWIM is in the first stage of a rather unconventional extraction and they wanted some help. they boiled some ground MHRB with some water for maybe a minute (in hindsight this is very stupid) maybe more, then let the water sit for a day, read some more, then added apple cider vinegar lemon juice and tabasco (wasn't sure on this then SWIM was like welllll vinegar-good, peppers-good, salt-they got NaOH on there so why not NaCl?) and let it sit for another night then added some more vinegar (the first batch of acids were all that were available at the time) for about 3 hrs... then decided to jump to the poor man's tek and added sodium carbonate (ah bad idea added it really fast an the whole pot bubbled over!!!) then put on the stove reread poor man's tek which said to add oil or solvent BEFORE heating so SWIM waslike dang and added some d-limolene cleaner (is this bad it says its got "natural cleaning agents" in it from coconuts, also essential oils those are the only 2 other ingredients) now letting it all sit in the crock pot there is a shitload of water.... next step i was thinking would be getting the amount of water to diminish by slow crock pot cookin, then i was thinking get the limolene off the top with dropper then heat water and limolene again, separate, again, separate, then put limo and ammonia together in same bottle, let sit, then evaporate that and i have crystals???????
please have me mercy on me, a foolish beginner, who had to repeat high school chemistry twice,, who is still unclear if i need to go and get a funnel, who is boorishly blundering thru a divine and deeply intentional process, hope i diddn't drop the ball yet?
please have me mercy on me, a foolish beginner, who had to repeat high school chemistry twice,, who is still unclear if i need to go and get a funnel, who is boorishly blundering thru a divine and deeply intentional process, hope i diddn't drop the ball yet?
This and also learn how to separate a block of text into paragraphs!ghostman said:
beakon
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aw really? what is the importance of the order i am very curious swim right now has a mixture of mhrb water sodium carbonate vinegar citric acid d-limolene and it still looks fairly magical iswimo is this really an unsalvageable wreck? honestly tho i would like to know how the end of the process works anyway so i can keeep learn thru experience...even if my final product totally suckx...so (this ones for you russian guy---paragrapaph break!)
swIm had this magical watery basey acidey solventy solution on the crock pot and they wanted to know what the next step is in reducing the magic water to a magic crystal... is it simply a combination of separating the limo from the top and putting that in some ammonia? what happens to the ammonia?
swIm had this magical watery basey acidey solventy solution on the crock pot and they wanted to know what the next step is in reducing the magic water to a magic crystal... is it simply a combination of separating the limo from the top and putting that in some ammonia? what happens to the ammonia?
