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redeadnixon
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SWIM was wondering if it would be possible to do a purification of dmt.hcl with acetone, or would he have to convert to freebase first?
It is SWIM's understanding that this shouldn't work as the salt is soluble in polar solvents (ie acetone) but thought he should just check first to see if he could save time not doing the conversion.
It is SWIM's understanding that this shouldn't work as the salt is soluble in polar solvents (ie acetone) but thought he should just check first to see if he could save time not doing the conversion.
arimane
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Not really... I mean, dmt hcl will leave you with a goo, since it's hygroscopic, if you just put Acetone you'll get your goo dissolved.
What you can do is dont use hcl, but fumaric acid instead, and then use one of the method to get freebase from there.
Now, I got a question too:
Does DCM pull out the full alkaloid spectrum of MHRB (JimJam)?
If so, would they freeze precipitate then, or SWIM should just leave it to evaporate (in a very open and free place, since is really toxic)?
Would all the jimjam create a jim jam fumerate, if SWIM adds FASI (or FASW) to a d-limo extraction?
thanks =)
Arimane
What you can do is dont use hcl, but fumaric acid instead, and then use one of the method to get freebase from there.
Now, I got a question too:
Does DCM pull out the full alkaloid spectrum of MHRB (JimJam)?
If so, would they freeze precipitate then, or SWIM should just leave it to evaporate (in a very open and free place, since is really toxic)?
Would all the jimjam create a jim jam fumerate, if SWIM adds FASI (or FASW) to a d-limo extraction?
thanks =)
Arimane
redeadnixon
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arimane said:
Does anyone know how SWIM would go about converting dmt.hcl to dmt.fumarate?
Would it work if he added NaOH to a solution of dmt.hcl; then pull with non-polar solvent, and finally freeze precipitate or acidify with fumaric acid solution?
yep that would work... freeze precipitating that non-polar will yield you dmt freebase though, but if instead you salt it out with a fumaric acid solution, then you will get dmt fumarate
because dmt fumarate is much more soluble in water and fumaric acid is not very soluble in water (thus why only a bit of fumaric acid is needed for FASW). Alternatively, you can clean by doing a cold IPA wash, which should dissolve some fumaric acid but none (or very little) dmt fumarate.
Phantastica
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^oh i see. makes a lot more sense now. thanks endless!:d
Hello nexus, my SWIM has some quick questions and any thoughts would greatly be appreciated. He is thinking about wrapping up his first extraction attempt (a great learning experiencing, in many more ways than one) and starting his second. For the first, he used a STB tek with a 1/2 gallon mason jar, lye, and naptha. Now, here is what SWIM has been contemplating:
1) He purchased some caapi leaves and various herbs (shout out to shaman's garden; great vendor) to make some of this changa everyone raves about. SWIM is going to go out and try to find some bestine heptane for this because he reads it evaporates quickly. What he's wondering, is if using the heptane for his second extraction attempts would be more efficient than naptha.
2) Also, he's too afraid of wasting any DMTs to dispose of the mimosa sludge currently in his jar. Is it unheard of to add more lye, water, and mimosa (correct proportions of course) to an existing mixture? His mason jar is not even half full, so there is plenty of room. His only concern is sabotaging his second extraction in an attempt to get any of those last goodies from the first.
The purity/color of the spice is not a concern for SWIM. White, off-white, piss yellow, he loves and welcomes them all!
1) He purchased some caapi leaves and various herbs (shout out to shaman's garden; great vendor) to make some of this changa everyone raves about. SWIM is going to go out and try to find some bestine heptane for this because he reads it evaporates quickly. What he's wondering, is if using the heptane for his second extraction attempts would be more efficient than naptha.
2) Also, he's too afraid of wasting any DMTs to dispose of the mimosa sludge currently in his jar. Is it unheard of to add more lye, water, and mimosa (correct proportions of course) to an existing mixture? His mason jar is not even half full, so there is plenty of room. His only concern is sabotaging his second extraction in an attempt to get any of those last goodies from the first.
The purity/color of the spice is not a concern for SWIM. White, off-white, piss yellow, he loves and welcomes them all!
arimane
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Hi guys.
SWIM has done a 1.4 kg extraction some days ago, and when lye-dh2o was added to the acid phase, it turned out something like grey, and a lot of grey lumps in the surface. And, he would like to add, almost nothing came out from the freeze prec.
was an A/B with 3 acid cooks (3 pH, with citric acid).
Any idea?
SWIM has done a 1.4 kg extraction some days ago, and when lye-dh2o was added to the acid phase, it turned out something like grey, and a lot of grey lumps in the surface. And, he would like to add, almost nothing came out from the freeze prec.
was an A/B with 3 acid cooks (3 pH, with citric acid).
Any idea?
Sounds like you did not basify your solution to a high enough pH; you want your aqueous mhrb solution to be jet black before pulling. Add more lye to your solution until it turns jet black and try pulling again.
R4s3tsu
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Hello guys. Yesterday I made my first STB pull with naphta, cover it and took it overnight (approximately 10 hours on maximum coolness)into the freezer. The naphta was a little yellowish, but I think it's okay. Today I took it out and saw a bunch of a little white snowflakes on the bottom of the jar, also there was some orange fats and other liquids or something like this. then I pull out naphta and let it evaporate. But after 10 or 20 minutes most of snowflakes mixes with impurities and turned into dirty orange goo. How should I collect the white snowflakes? Right after the pull or wait until it absolutely evaporate? I fear that all this stuff turns into dirty goo. I've tried to collect it with metallic fiber and load it into my machine then smoke it, and the smoke was very unpleasant and bite and causes caught, But first big hit was a little trippy, but next hits after 5 minutes was without any effects. Could it be tolerance or I've just smoked shit?
fraterS.O.L.
Bill Nye
Helloo fellow psychonauts
This is my first post besides my intro essay so salutations. This is not my first rodeo though, if you'll excuse the cowboy parlance. I've been working in realms of pure thought on a way to clean my imaginary jimjam fumar and wondered if anybody might have thought of this already. If I'm right dmt fumarate is insoluble in anhydrous acetone, right? Well fumaric acid is at a ratio of about 1.7g/100ml (at least that's wt the label says) so here's an idea to clean up one fumar and get every bit.
1. Take 1g rough draft jimjam fumar (derived from q21s tek) in a small glass container
2. To this container add around 50ml of anhydrous acetone. It should become cloudy I would think.
3. Allow fumarate to settle then pour off the acetone. Allow residual acetone to evap.
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4. Repeat until the acetone doesn't pick up any mor excess acid. Should only take 2 washes max I would think.
Well I'm eager to see what some other members think. Haven't had enough time of astral travel lately to try it but if its true that fumarate is insoluble in acetone( an idea I got from the freebase-salt conversion) then there shouldn't be a problem.
Keep the Faith
Frater SOL
"Problems that can be solved by money aren't problems"
This is my first post besides my intro essay so salutations. This is not my first rodeo though, if you'll excuse the cowboy parlance. I've been working in realms of pure thought on a way to clean my imaginary jimjam fumar and wondered if anybody might have thought of this already. If I'm right dmt fumarate is insoluble in anhydrous acetone, right? Well fumaric acid is at a ratio of about 1.7g/100ml (at least that's wt the label says) so here's an idea to clean up one fumar and get every bit.
1. Take 1g rough draft jimjam fumar (derived from q21s tek) in a small glass container
2. To this container add around 50ml of anhydrous acetone. It should become cloudy I would think.
3. Allow fumarate to settle then pour off the acetone. Allow residual acetone to evap.
Opptional
4. Repeat until the acetone doesn't pick up any mor excess acid. Should only take 2 washes max I would think.
Well I'm eager to see what some other members think. Haven't had enough time of astral travel lately to try it but if its true that fumarate is insoluble in acetone( an idea I got from the freebase-salt conversion) then there shouldn't be a problem.
Keep the Faith
Frater SOL
"Problems that can be solved by money aren't problems"
you can wash your dmt fumarate with anhydrous acetone, or anhydrous IPA too, yes.. Just dont heat it up and make sure its dry or it will pick up the fumarates too. Your plan sounds good.. Just dont throw your acetone away in case it picked up some actives, wait till final yield is established
alternatively you can try bufoman's way of cleaning up fumarates with just water, as described in the WIKI
by the way, if you have doubt about solubilities you can always check the psychedelic compounds chemical and physical properties WIKI, as the information you are looking for might be there
good luck and tell us how it went
alternatively you can try bufoman's way of cleaning up fumarates with just water, as described in the WIKI
by the way, if you have doubt about solubilities you can always check the psychedelic compounds chemical and physical properties WIKI, as the information you are looking for might be there
good luck and tell us how it went
fraterS.O.L.
Bill Nye
Could you possibly pm me the url for that link? I tend to surf on my ps3 and it has trouble opening new pages. Also I don't nesessarily like the straight water clean up. I feel like I'm leaving spice behind. There's always that brownish/orangish/redish color to the left overs and it feels like I'm missing out. Last time I did it I got only 50% of my yeild back.endlessness said:
fraterS.O.L.
Bill Nye
Ok i give up looking for a place to ask this so i'll put it here; it seems general enough. Are there other way to remove discoloration of my spice without activated charcoal?
fraterS.O.L.
Bill Nye
So what do i do there? Just pull the hept off before it changes color?
