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It could well be the OMS causing problems. Naptha and heptane evaporate so quickly that there is no time to redissolve an appreciable amount of spice. In some recent tests, 50 ml of naptha or heptane evaporated with the aid of a fan in a warm environment in a matter of hours. 50 ml of 'Artists White Spirit' took a day or so, one brand of OMS took about 3 days, and another OMS product 'Sansodor' took longer than a week (the experiment was aborted due to boredom). So although these products may well have useful solvent properties, they are rather inconvenient to work with as there is no easy way of evapping down the volume as is sometimes necessary. If OMS is being used, then scraping the jar prior to pouring through a coffee filter, and jiggling to get the solvent though the filter as fast as possible may give better results. But, as Noman says, just evapping the whole lot down and cleaning up later is probably easier.
 
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the writer is definitely experiencing the long evaporating properties of OMS! Originally, the writer had some V & P Naphtha, but it evaporated to leave a yellow residue :p the writer is evaporating the rest of the oms in a new container, and luckily found a fair few crystals on the side of the jar used for precipitation once evaporation finally ended there. While there are not as many as prior to pouring out the oms, the writer was happily surprised to see anything. The filters had almost no crystals on them. The writer is going to attempt to find better naphtha in the future. Still, the writer felt obliged to note that the color/quality of the spice even without further washing/recrystallization is better than any he/she/it has come into contact with.
 
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Well it seems a foaf of mine may have screwed up a bunch of P viridis. He has done the quicktec on mimosa a couple times and is comfortable with the process and he had quick handy access to Viridis and used it the same as he would mimosa, Now he reads he should have done a Defat but whats done is done and He would appreciate some help with this conundrum. He made his Basic solution (350g to 5Lwater) and added 900g of viridis and a couple bottles of Naptha and after 24 hours their is yet to be any separation, he is in the process of getting more lye as that is supposed to help. Has anyone had this same experience? Would filtering out the plant matter help, as it seems it is floating on top of the solution. Thanks and bye for now.
 
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Yah, strain out the plant material and squeeze as much liquid from it as possible. Then add another 5L water to your solution and some more naptha - how much did you use the first time? Gently stir this together. If it still doesn't break, add another 350g lye. If it still doesn't break, add a cup of salt. Once it breaks and you've separated the naptha, you can add the plant material back and stir it around. Separate it out though before adding any more naptha.
 
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My foaf has never had cloudy naptha/dmt solutions. mabey try evaporating some of the solvent then freezing, When the dmt is more concetrated it will form much nicer crystals. also try moving the solution from the freezer to the fridge back and forth a few times or fiddle with the freezer settings, your crystals will fall and collect on the bottom, then u can decant off the naptha back into your MHRB.
 
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hey y'all my friend is on his 2nd extraction, (the first one went smooth, thanks Noman and Vortex) and has hit a problem. He made a basified MHRB solution using Noman's ratio, and added a little extra lye to be safe. 200g MHRB, 250 g lye, 3 liters water in a 4 lite pickling jar. he let that sit for a while and then added 200 ml VM&P and stirred in for 1/2 hour , he noticed that it separated slower than usual, but wasnt worried. he let the naptha sit in there for 2 days, when he returned to his jar he noticed a very thin layer of emulsion had formed between the naptha and base. He thought he coudl get rid of this emulsion by basifying a little bit more, so he dissolved roughly 75g lye into a 2cups of water, waited for it to cool down to below 120 degrees and then poured that into the jar . the emulsion broke up right away , the he stirred for about 15 min. NOW it's been about 1/2 hour, he sees that the naptha layer is there, but it is very dark and barely discernable from the base solution, which worries him, since before he added more lye, the naptha layer was very distinct. Did he possible burn the spice when he added more lye? Should he add more naptha? Or is a very dark layer of naptha normal? Is this a salvagable situation or has he ruined it? any advice would be greatly appreciated. H
 
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Update: been about 3 hours now, the naptha layer has separated, the dividing line is clear but it is still dark brownish yellow, there is no emulsion, he is scared that the naptha has some of the base solution in it, which makes it dark... someone please advise when you get a momento H
 
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Pull off the top layer, there shouldn't be really any lye because it is not soluble in naptha. One thing I do to help with the seperation/emulsion is put it in a hot water bath. That usually seperates it right out. Also try not to continuously mix/shake it for 30 minutes do a couple minutes then wait for it to seperate then do it for a couple more minutes, and repeat this til you feel satisfied its all out. The naptha layer might just be real dark because of a lot of oils. I don't really know anything about that though and am just making a guess. But get that naptha out as soon as possible then work on recrystalizing it.
 
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jeffe- thanks for the reply. there was never really a problem with the separation of layers, it separated out alright, it's just that the naptha is caramel colored , (not clear like the first time he extracted). he pulled out the caramel naptha and stuck it in the freezer, almost immediately, some yellow crystals started to precip out, but also alot of yellow oily goo as well. swim will recrystalize what he scrapes out of the jar tommorrow morning, there is a lot of stuff in there. he also will do a second pull from the basified solution, although it looks like the naptha is caramel colored again. has anyone experienced this before? will post results soon H
 
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correction: the naptha from the second pull looks considerably clearer now... he guesses he pulled out the emulsion along with the first naptha pull which is what turned it caramel colored.... there is gooey yellow shit at the bottom of his precip jar ....
 
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For the freeze precipitate I like to use a shallow bowl, it makes scraping the crystals off much easier since those little suckers like to cling on. As for the caramel colored naptha. I'm not real sure what shade you mean by caramel, but for me the yellower the naptha the more dmt seems to precipitate out. Also the fact that crystals immediatly precipitated out is a very good sign of there being good amount of spice.
 
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jeffe- by caramel he means yellow-brown. not just yellow, it's darker. thanks for the tip about the shallow bowl, what do you cover it with while its in the freezer? he would be excited about the fact that crystals formed right away if it werent for the fact that this oily gooey shit is there also... he will wait till morning and then report back.... thanks a ton
 
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Its too much lye. You're dissolving more than just the alks and they're getting into the solvent. The ratios in my tek are already rounded up and have a bit thrown in for good measure. I heard from a guy with a similar problem who used 3X as much lye as called for. I told him to evap and recrystalize the mess, haven't heard back. So recrystalize, and let us know how you come out. Good luck.
 
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Thanks Noman, He figured as much. He is still a newbie, live and learn.He wont make the mistake twice. He will pour the goop through a filter, let it dry and rextalize. Thanks for weighing in. Will report back with results. Habib
 
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update: he poured out his first caramel naptha pull this morning, there was a lot of very yellow waxy spice and a lot of cruddy slimy brown shit with it. he scraped all of that out of the jar and set it under a fan to dry it out. It is drying out into a brown crust. He plans on washing this with ammonia before he rextalizes it . the second pull of naptha was deep yellow like concentrated piss, but not as dark as the first one. It is in the freezer now. will holla with results H
 
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not that any of y'all really need to know every painful step of swim's damage control, it just makes swim feel better to write it, hell maybe the next noob who who fucks it up can learn from swims mistakes ... Sooo... washed the yellow brown crust with cold ammonia, which turned it deep yellow-orange. this swim let dry on the filter. the dust was very fine and cakey texture.he scraped it off into two shot glasses for re-x. added warm bestine, the entirety of the yellow cake did NOT dissolve into the solvent. there is a nice glob of gunk on the bottom of both shot glasses which swim hopes is just garbage. swim's only worry is that the spice did not make it into the solvent because of the accompanying snot. letting it cool to room temp now. more later.... h
 
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woooooord! the re-x worked ! he saved his extraction! swim sampled the results, it is the thing. :twisted: there was a cement glob (really hard) at the bottom of both shot glasses. there is more spice in the globs, but they are a bitch to work with . swim learned a lot over the past few days and feels big gratitude towards this site and community.. thanks y'all! H
 
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