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Hey Guys, my first post 
Tryed my first extraction with ACRB the other week with quiet minimal results (mainly dark goo's with 1 or 2 yellowish crystal build ups.
I tried Earthwalkers Extraction which was almost exactly the same as the first 1 i did, expect Earthwalkers added the salt, and had the additional clean up method at the end.
So happy, first go resulted in pure white fluffies just like in his pics and the tiniest bit of extremely bright yellow goo.
Im happy with the results and methods, my question i wanted to ask was, is this final product fumarate or freebase, and is it ok to smoke.
A bit of a Noob question im sure, but ive tried researching and am not finding to much info except dont smoke fumarate.
Thanks in advance guys, much appreciated.
Tryed my first extraction with ACRB the other week with quiet minimal results (mainly dark goo's with 1 or 2 yellowish crystal build ups.
I tried Earthwalkers Extraction which was almost exactly the same as the first 1 i did, expect Earthwalkers added the salt, and had the additional clean up method at the end.
So happy, first go resulted in pure white fluffies just like in his pics and the tiniest bit of extremely bright yellow goo.
Im happy with the results and methods, my question i wanted to ask was, is this final product fumarate or freebase, and is it ok to smoke.
A bit of a Noob question im sure, but ive tried researching and am not finding to much info except dont smoke fumarate.
Thanks in advance guys, much appreciated.
TGO
Music is alive and in your soul. It can move you.
Anicca said:Dear Nexians,
Few days ago I finished my second extraction. I used 300g of MHRB and Cyb's hybrid ATB Salt tek. All 5 pulls yielded mostly goo (I guess it happened because I used heath bath during the pulls). I also used sodium carbonate washes for all my pulls.
After re-crystalization, my first two pulls produced 3 grams of yellowish powder (with some crust). I tried to vape it (about 40mg) in a GVG, and noticed 2 interesting things: My experience was visually different (started as visually dark) than any other DMT experience I had in the past. Secondly, after I came down, I felt stiffness in my throat.
Do you know what could explain this? Would it make sense to do something more with it, to make the vaping less throat demanding?
I also combined results of third, fourth and fifth pull and attempted to dissolve it in hot naphta for a recrystalization (this worked for first 2 pulls). However, they would not dissolve in hot naphta, but formed a oily layer at the bottom. I did FP nevertheless. After a day in freezer, I removed the naphta and ended up with about 15g of oily liquid. After leaving it at room temperature for 5 days, it is now down to 2-3 grams. It has a flowery smell, but still looks foggy and has some dark particles inside.
What would you do with this stuff?
I was thinking about letting it sit for some more time, and dissolving it in acetone, to make some changa, but I'm not sure it's good to smoke because it does not look clean.
Your help is highly appreciated
Some people get the "marble" in their throat from smoking DMT. It could be a sign that it is burning instead of vaporizing correctly, but that is only speculation. Other than that, DMT vapor should be fairly smooth.
A re-x is designed to get rid of impurities so the stuff that would not dissolve in your naphtha is extra gunk that you don't need. Dissolve whatever spice in the naphtha and pour it off into a different container and you can toss out the gunk that is left behind or won't dissolve. Then you can evaporate or freeze precipitate again to yield a cleaner product.
Heptane is an even better solvent for a re-x if you can get it.
TGO
Music is alive and in your soul. It can move you.
chuxsupa said:Hey Guys, my first post
Tryed my first extraction with ACRB the other week with quiet minimal results (mainly dark goo's with 1 or 2 yellowish crystal build ups.
I tried Earthwalkers Extraction which was almost exactly the same as the first 1 i did, expect Earthwalkers added the salt, and had the additional clean up method at the end.
So happy, first go resulted in pure white fluffies just like in his pics and the tiniest bit of extremely bright yellow goo.
Im happy with the results and methods, my question i wanted to ask was, is this final product fumarate or freebase, and is it ok to smoke.
A bit of a Noob question im sure, but ive tried researching and am not finding to much info except dont smoke fumarate.
Thanks in advance guys, much appreciated.
If you followed Cyb/EW's tek to the letter then your end product from freeze precipitation or evaporation will be in freebase form. And yes do not smoke DMT fumarate as it is dangerous to do so.
I would encourage you to read through the FAQ to learn more.
Good luck and safe travels
The Grateful One said:chuxsupa said:Hey Guys, my first post
Tryed my first extraction with ACRB the other week with quiet minimal results (mainly dark goo's with 1 or 2 yellowish crystal build ups.
I tried Earthwalkers Extraction which was almost exactly the same as the first 1 i did, expect Earthwalkers added the salt, and had the additional clean up method at the end.
So happy, first go resulted in pure white fluffies just like in his pics and the tiniest bit of extremely bright yellow goo.
Im happy with the results and methods, my question i wanted to ask was, is this final product fumarate or freebase, and is it ok to smoke.
A bit of a Noob question im sure, but ive tried researching and am not finding to much info except dont smoke fumarate.
Thanks in advance guys, much appreciated.
If you followed Cyb/EW's tek to the letter then your end product from freeze precipitation or evaporation will be in freebase form. And yes do not smoke DMT fumarate as it is dangerous to do so.
I would encourage you to read through the FAQ to learn more.
Good luck and safe travels
Thank you The Gratful One, much appreciated
gamabunta
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Hello guys, how are you? I'm new to the forum and to the DMT extraction world, I read the FAQ and searched a lot before doing this, buuuuut I still have some questions....
Just did my first extraction right now, going to freeze prep, I used three tek's as references: Norman's Tek, V-Tek 1.0 and the Alien Tek - an Brazilian tek that I found that helped me a lot (because of my native language, portuguese).
I used 30 grams of MHRB pre powdered, the NaOH product that I used was Diabo Verde, a brazilian version of the Red Devil's Lye. I used Zippo Premium Lighter Fluid as solvent and everything was okay with the evap test, no residue in the plate.
I did 4 pulls, each one with around 30ml's of the lighter fluid and the last one with something around 40ml's. I used 0,7 times the quantity of MHRB because I saw that it would be better (A note in Norman's Tek said so).
I used a plastic syringe without the rubber thingy to do the separation (I know plastic isn't recommended but it was all I found)
So, my questions are:
First of all, the NaOH product that I used showed to have more than NaOH in it, after mixing with the water, some dark dots and green dots of the product didn't dissolve... Is that fine? That happens with the Red Devil Lye too?
Second question, doing the separation, some of the dark liquid entered in the syringe and all i did was pour into a shot glass, wait for the layers to separate and separate again. I did that 2 times and it seemed to be okay but while doing the evap for the freeze precp I noticed some stuff in the bottom of the glass, some kind of yellower residue, is that the DMT or it may be some fat or lye?
Either ways I'm planning to do an recrystalization, but I think i'm gonna do with the Zippo fluid that I have left, cuz it's gonna be kinda hard to find some heptane in here...
Thanks a lot guys, and sorry if any of my questions have already been answered here!
Just did my first extraction right now, going to freeze prep, I used three tek's as references: Norman's Tek, V-Tek 1.0 and the Alien Tek - an Brazilian tek that I found that helped me a lot (because of my native language, portuguese).
I used 30 grams of MHRB pre powdered, the NaOH product that I used was Diabo Verde, a brazilian version of the Red Devil's Lye. I used Zippo Premium Lighter Fluid as solvent and everything was okay with the evap test, no residue in the plate.
I did 4 pulls, each one with around 30ml's of the lighter fluid and the last one with something around 40ml's. I used 0,7 times the quantity of MHRB because I saw that it would be better (A note in Norman's Tek said so).
I used a plastic syringe without the rubber thingy to do the separation (I know plastic isn't recommended but it was all I found)
So, my questions are:
First of all, the NaOH product that I used showed to have more than NaOH in it, after mixing with the water, some dark dots and green dots of the product didn't dissolve... Is that fine? That happens with the Red Devil Lye too?
Second question, doing the separation, some of the dark liquid entered in the syringe and all i did was pour into a shot glass, wait for the layers to separate and separate again. I did that 2 times and it seemed to be okay but while doing the evap for the freeze precp I noticed some stuff in the bottom of the glass, some kind of yellower residue, is that the DMT or it may be some fat or lye?
Either ways I'm planning to do an recrystalization, but I think i'm gonna do with the Zippo fluid that I have left, cuz it's gonna be kinda hard to find some heptane in here...
Thanks a lot guys, and sorry if any of my questions have already been answered here!
brilliantlydim
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gamabunta said:
I wouldn't risk using it unless you know it only has NaOH in it.
gamabunta said:
Though you should really try not to get any of the basic solution in your solvent pulls, small amounts to sometimes get in there. If you are doing a recrystallization then you should be fine.
gamabunta
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I see.. Well I searched in the web and I found what the product is made of. What do you guys think?
It's NaOH (obviously)
NaCl (regular salt)
NaNO3 (sodium nitrate)
Na2CO3 (sodium carbonate)
And alluminium, it says that it cointains alluminium to preserve the product of exploding in contact with hydrogen
I got a bit afraid about this sodium nitrate thing cause it seems to be something to preserve foods and it's kinda dangerous to eat, I was afraid it could make my n, n dmt into dmt-n-oxide....
Of course the majority of the product is made of NaOH, but what about these other chemicals.... If any of it is dangerous would a recrystallization solve the problem?
It's NaOH (obviously)
NaCl (regular salt)
NaNO3 (sodium nitrate)
Na2CO3 (sodium carbonate)
And alluminium, it says that it cointains alluminium to preserve the product of exploding in contact with hydrogen
I got a bit afraid about this sodium nitrate thing cause it seems to be something to preserve foods and it's kinda dangerous to eat, I was afraid it could make my n, n dmt into dmt-n-oxide....
Of course the majority of the product is made of NaOH, but what about these other chemicals.... If any of it is dangerous would a recrystallization solve the problem?
TGO
Music is alive and in your soul. It can move you.
gamabunta said:
The only thing that will solve this problem is to get the proper lye. You definitely do not want aluminum going into your extraction or any other unnecessary chemicals/ingredients. The best way to avoid hazardous problems is to do a little research on all of your starting materials and equipment before starting the extraction process. A plastic syringe isn't a good idea either, why not order a glass one online or use a glass turkey baster? (or, with a steady hand, one can even decant, which would still be safer than using plastic)... ... ...
We are all about harm reduction here at the Nexus, so please be careful and thoroughly look into what you are doing. Messing around with lye and other chemicals is a serious endeavor and can be detrimental to one's health if used carelessly.
Please be safe and good luck to you
gamabunta
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Thank you very much! So I should throw the product away? I was going to try a recrystalization but if it won't solve the problem than I guess that's gonna be the only soution, throw it away. I'm gonna search more and get a better NaOH product here, free of other chemicals. I just used this one because I saw in an Brazilian tek that this would work. But that's fine, I have more 210g os MHRB, next time I will do with better products, thought I got it all figured out haha ....
Anyways, this is the result of the freeze precipitation:
....Anyways, this is the result of the freeze precipitation:
TGO
Music is alive and in your soul. It can move you.
gamabunta said:Thank you very much! So I should throw the product away? I was going to try a recrystalization but if it won't solve the problem than I guess that's gonna be the only soution, throw it away. I'm gonna search more and get a better NaOH product here, free of other chemicals. I just used this one because I saw in an Brazilian tek that this would work. But that's fine, I have more 210g os MHRB, next time I will do with better products, thought I got it all figured out haha
Anyways, this is the result of the freeze precipitation:
Unfortunately yes. I would not feel comfortable telling you that a re-x would solve the problem or that it would remove any impurities (possible plastic from the syringe and impurities from the lye). But at least you've gone through the process now and since you have extra MHRB on hand, it is probably best to start again. You can never be too careful!
I highly recommend the Cyb/EW tek in which there are methods for 50g and 100g extractions:
It says it is for ACRB but will work equally well for MHRB.
gamabunta
Rising Star
Well, okay then.. I will finsish the process either way, I'll do the re-x and etc just so I get more experience out of it, but won't smoke the product then. And thank you very much for the warnings man! Really helped here. I'm actually feeling more secure about next time
I will finsish the process either way, I'll do the re-x and etc just so I get more experience out of it, but won't smoke the product then. And thank you very much for the warnings man! Really helped here. I'm actually feeling more secure about next time oh yes your right i DID post to a couple old threads before i saw where the dates were on this forum. i feel so bad for slandering the nexus now. maybe if people were less bashy and more helpful. like i havent read the faq a million times. I havent used a forum ever but that doesnt make me less intelligent. I feel it to be an issue when there is garbage materials people are claiming to be right product. no yeilds ppl complain. half results ppl complain. shitty admin ppl complain. sory for emoticons:twisted: :twisted: :twisted: :twisted: :twisted: :!: :!: :!: :thumb_dow :thumb_dow :thumb_dow :thumb_up:a1pha said:
CultiV8
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hello nexus! honor to be here.
i attached a picture of pull 1+2 from my third extraction. i am using Cyb's 'Max Ion' tek found on these forums. thank you so much for the knowledge!
along with the crystals i get a thin layer of oil right below the crystals. i understand this is very active, i enjoy smoking it, and am infinitely grateful that my bark yields both goo and crystals.
BUT it makes it a pain to collect & separate my product.
when scraping with a razor blade, all the crystals come off, but the layer of oil does as well. this leaves a good amount of beautiful fluffy white crystal "trapped" in the goo forever.
so my question: is there a method for only scraping the crystals off? if it's impossible, how do you separate your goo from crystals? or is it just not worth it?
thanks & much love
i attached a picture of pull 1+2 from my third extraction. i am using Cyb's 'Max Ion' tek found on these forums. thank you so much for the knowledge!
along with the crystals i get a thin layer of oil right below the crystals. i understand this is very active, i enjoy smoking it, and am infinitely grateful that my bark yields both goo and crystals.
BUT it makes it a pain to collect & separate my product.
when scraping with a razor blade, all the crystals come off, but the layer of oil does as well. this leaves a good amount of beautiful fluffy white crystal "trapped" in the goo forever.
so my question: is there a method for only scraping the crystals off? if it's impossible, how do you separate your goo from crystals? or is it just not worth it?
thanks & much love
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Tryptallmine
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CultiV8 said:
I find that a simple recrystallization dries it up a touch. If its still too oily, maybe backsalt it again (mini a/b) after dissolving it in 50ml of warm solvent.
Other than that, try hitting it with a fan on high for half a day. Scrape it up and transfer it over to a piece of paper and let it sit for a further day or so. It should dry out.
CultiV8
Rising Star
Tryptallmine said:
Great suggestions. I always dry my goo to the point where it can be chopped up into tan powder, but the white fluff stays "trapped" - any white crystals in the goo just become part of the darker powder.
I have never recrystallized or backsalted, I will look into the techniques.
thanks tryptallmine!
Tryptallmine
Rising Star
CultiV8 said:
Jump onto the hyperlink below & follow the 'Clean Up Steps'. You are salting it back into an acid solution, decanting the solvent out, re basing and pulling - just like a normal extraction.
You can recrystallize and back salt in one little preparation that will take you about an hour. Just drop your extract into 50ml of hot solvent and stir it until it fully dissolves and let it sit for 10 minutes in a heat bath. You'll see impurities pool at the bottom of the glass/beaker etc. A couple of little stirs with a spoon creates a tiny whirlpool that pulls it together. Decant that off and then add it to your Mini A/B. You'll have pretty clean spice going back in for another clean up.
Make sure you keep the solvent aside until your final freeze precipitation in case your product gets lost anywhere. Gentle swirling of the solvent with the acid solution is all that is required. Don't think you have to shake it at all. Swirl gently for 10-15 minutes is perfect.
Tek is below - Earthwalkers ACRB Tek
AstralProjectee
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Hey guys, so SWIM did a DMT extraction with this tek here at Cybs' Hybrid ATB 'Salt' Tek - DMT-Nexus Wiki but wanted to do a sodium carbonate wash so he just got some. Now he already had some yellow crystals that formed on his glass that is in the freezer. He added some Naphtha and then put it into a glass cup. But the crystals didn't dissolve back into the Naphtha. He went ahead and added the sodium carbonate but he is unsure how effective this will be since saw the yellow crystals didn't dissolve. Thoughts on where to take this from here? Thanks!
Tryptallmine
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AstralProjectee said:
You'll need to warm the solvent up in a heat bath to get freebase to dissolve easily.
Hot solvent will hold quite a lot of solute, freezing solvent precipitates it back out as it is quite insoluble at that temperature - hence why we freeze precipitate.
brilliantlydim
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CultiV8 said:
I take a razor and hold the glass at a 90 degree angle. Then I try to just skim the surface of the goo so that I knock a good majority of the crystals off. I like to collect some pure fluff from each extraction. Then I will scrape up the remaining goo and crystals together. I like them both, its just looks nice to have pure fluff.
