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Woolmer
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What temperature is your freezer at? How long did you leave it in the freezer? The colder it is the faster DMT will precipitate! If your pulls are milky before hitting the freezer it should be precipitating easily.Aeroman said:
There is nothing wrong with oil/goo, although a re-x could allow it to crystalize rather easily especially if it is from MHRB.Aeroman said:
You are having issues with emulsions here. It could not have evaporated in a closed container. How much lye and water did you use? There are many threads on the Nexus on how to clear emulsions... Use the search bar!Aeroman said:
Aeroman
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Thank you Woolmer.
Should petroleum ether be used at room temperature instead of mixing with a heated bath? I replaced it with Essence C afterwards and that separated no problem.
This morning I experimented with room temperature solvent, Essence C is described as light Naphtha, there is another version called Essence F which is described as heavy naphtha, some French psychonauts claim to have had success with that.
It was at its maximum setting 5/5. It's really cold. I don't know the temperature but water freezes very quickly.
I found the goo thread after posting, so I vaped the goo that was extracted. There wasn't enough to get trippin but I did feel a mild effect.
I followed Cyb's .pdf instructions precisely, so each step added up = 640 ml of water. Everything up to the point of the pull went fine, I'm guessing that the solvent and freeze precipitation variables are the issues I need to resolve.
Should petroleum ether be used at room temperature instead of mixing with a heated bath? I replaced it with Essence C afterwards and that separated no problem.
This morning I experimented with room temperature solvent, Essence C is described as light Naphtha, there is another version called Essence F which is described as heavy naphtha, some French psychonauts claim to have had success with that.
Powerthoughts
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Hello i have done a extraction using the lazymasns tek. Below is a picture of the result on a scale. It looked a bit dirty so i started to recrystallize it with naptha. But the only visible dirt that was left looks like household dust. therefore i think the end product will look very much the same as the first picture. I have read the thread "enough goo questions", but i just want to be sure it is safe to use my DMT freebase to make changa with caapi leaves.
Thanks for answers
https://upload.vaa.red/b5Xbt#50176814ab659665a17124ff97dd9091
https://upload.vaa.red/2iZJBc#62149deba8966796baa67fed978560c3
Thanks for answers
https://upload.vaa.red/b5Xbt#50176814ab659665a17124ff97dd9091
https://upload.vaa.red/2iZJBc#62149deba8966796baa67fed978560c3
downwardsfromzero
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My very first successful extraction was with a heavy naphtha (BBQ lighting fluid, in the UK). Its pulling power was impressive, and the freeze precipitation went like a dream.Aeroman said:
If you try (and with any luck succeed) pulling with Essence F, it would be best afterwards to recrystallise the product using the Essence C you already have.
downwardsfromzero
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Powerthoughts - that looks completely normal. The latest thinking is that traces of water in the naphtha contribute to a reversible polymerisation of small amounts of the DMT, leading to production of orange goo.
Aeroman
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Thanks, that sounds promising, essence F is much cheaper so I hope it is effective.downwardsfromzero said:
I still have some petroleum ether (wundbenzin) left, if I recrystalise with that, would the crystals be safe enough for pharmahuasca oral consumption?
downwardsfromzero
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Aeroman - the petroleum ether should be fine for recrystallisation, and the resulting product will be fine for ayahuasca once all the solvent residue has evaporated. Traces of pet ether would be essentially harmless. The hazard from swallowing simple hydrocarbon solvents like that is the risk of lung damage if the liquid gets into the lungs. That won't happen with a few tens of milligrams of alkaloid in a capsule.
grimlid said:
I am a complete novice, that said I have successfully extracted 10 grams and was trying out washing on some of my more impure pulls.
I am not a fan of the sodium wash, seems to lose a lot of spice and doesn't do any better than a basic re-x. But bear in mind at my experience level I am by no means a reliable or experienced source.
On a side note, Bestine vs Naptha.... All my research says Bestine is better for purity on a re-x but it seems harder to work with. It doesn't evap as quickly and tends to leave oily residue what's behind the Bestine love?
downwardsfromzero
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You're not hijacking, - this is a FAQ threadJimbo1776 said:
Here's a tip - don't be sloppy with the chemical names. It would be less sloppy to say "carbonate wash". The sodium could be accompanied by a nearly limitless variety of counter-ions: carbonate, bicarbonate, hydroxide, cyanide, fluoroacetate... and clearly these are a lot more relevant to what will happen than the sodium is. Sodium melts at 98°C so you could even have been washing with actual liquid sodium using a steam bath - hopefully that wasn't the source of your disappointment
The sodium carbonate wash is broadly considered to be outdated and unhelpful nowadays and your view serves to confirm this.
Aeroman
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I attempted a second CYB's salt Tek extraction yesterday but still no spicey joy. :?: :x
The tek uses VM&P Naphtha which I can't find here, apart from that I follow the tek instructions closely.
I have tried 4 different solvents now, none seem able to become saturated with DMT. (Petroleum ether, Essence C - described as light naphtha, Essence F and odourless White spirit) The mixing is done in a heated bath, average temp = 48°C. It is mixed energetically 4 times over 45 minutes leaving 10 minutes to separate in between mixes. I evap but even with a teaspoon of solvent left in the dish, I never get the saturation clouding when I blow on it. When I take the dish out of the freezer, the solvent is cloudy but the only thing that seems to be extracted is plant oil which scraped up is a tiny amount of material.The last 2 attempts, I have tried 3 combining pulls before evaporating.
My freezer is the top compartment of a built-under small fridge, I set it to maximum when attempting to freeze precipitate, water freezes quite quickly. I usually leave it for 12 hours before checking for crystals.
To make sure that the bark does contain decent DMT levels, I prepared and drank an ayahuasca brew with it yesterday, 25 grams of bark was enough for a breakthrough trip.
I feel so close to success because I can smell the DMT does anyone have any suggestions?
PS I've just finished the membership quiz, I hope to be able to post in the main forum soon.
The tek uses VM&P Naphtha which I can't find here, apart from that I follow the tek instructions closely.
I have tried 4 different solvents now, none seem able to become saturated with DMT. (Petroleum ether, Essence C - described as light naphtha, Essence F and odourless White spirit) The mixing is done in a heated bath, average temp = 48°C. It is mixed energetically 4 times over 45 minutes leaving 10 minutes to separate in between mixes. I evap but even with a teaspoon of solvent left in the dish, I never get the saturation clouding when I blow on it. When I take the dish out of the freezer, the solvent is cloudy but the only thing that seems to be extracted is plant oil which scraped up is a tiny amount of material.The last 2 attempts, I have tried 3 combining pulls before evaporating.
My freezer is the top compartment of a built-under small fridge, I set it to maximum when attempting to freeze precipitate, water freezes quite quickly. I usually leave it for 12 hours before checking for crystals.
To make sure that the bark does contain decent DMT levels, I prepared and drank an ayahuasca brew with it yesterday, 25 grams of bark was enough for a breakthrough trip.
I feel so close to success because I can smell the DMT does anyone have any suggestions?
PS I've just finished the membership quiz, I hope to be able to post in the main forum soon.
downwardsfromzero
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It's possible that your freezer is not up to the job, especially if your bark is rather weak.Aeroman said:
Also, if your NPS contains aromatics, or something like acetone or MEK (but I don't see why it should - however, who knows what tampering may have occurred nowadays...) then freeze precipitation won't work. I once screwed up by somehow getting isopropanol into a mixture which was supposed to be freeze precipitated.
Again, this seems like either DMT is too soluble in your solvent or there's too small an amount of DMT in there.
Aeroman
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Thanks for the feedback downwardsfromzero.
All the solvents I have tried have been used successfully for DMT extractions according to posts on this forum and others, they are all close to naphtha in terms of ingredients and evaporate cleanly, not sure about the white spirit though, the extraction I tried with that has been in the freezer all day, there is just a yellowish sludge forming, no crystals.
I wish I knew a way to work out what the issue is. I should be getting at least a few crystals forming. I'm wondering if addition of the salt solution might not be optimum so this evening I'm trying a simple straight to base method using petroleum ether (as per instructions).
Just testing 25 grams of bark this time.
All the solvents I have tried have been used successfully for DMT extractions according to posts on this forum and others, they are all close to naphtha in terms of ingredients and evaporate cleanly, not sure about the white spirit though, the extraction I tried with that has been in the freezer all day, there is just a yellowish sludge forming, no crystals.
I wish I knew a way to work out what the issue is. I should be getting at least a few crystals forming. I'm wondering if addition of the salt solution might not be optimum so this evening I'm trying a simple straight to base method using petroleum ether (as per instructions).
Just testing 25 grams of bark this time.
downwardsfromzero
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Aeroman - what base have you been using? I'm asking just to be certain of this as another possible variable in your process.
I'm still inclined to think the problem is a combination of weak freezer and, sadly, weak bark - unless you've successfully extracted from this exact same batch before? Is that what you used successfully with lazyman's tek? And you completed that extraction with full evaporation and no freeze precipitation?
I'm still inclined to think the problem is a combination of weak freezer and, sadly, weak bark - unless you've successfully extracted from this exact same batch before? Is that what you used successfully with lazyman's tek? And you completed that extraction with full evaporation and no freeze precipitation?
Some people (e.g., Brennendes Wasser) have reported diminished yields from addition of salt, so this is a distinct possibility.
Aeroman
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I'm using sodium hydroxide (it says it's pure on the container).The soup did turn black.
I made some ayahuasca from this same batch of bark this weekend, I had a nice strong breakthrough trip from 25 grams of bark, that's why I think there should be some DMT to extract. It is possible that the bark is weak, it's marketed as 'Tepezcohuite' targeted at the natural cosmetics crowd and sold legally in this country, perhaps they are only allowed to sell weaker strains.
I found a STB tek online that specifically includes German petroleum ether (wundbenzin), exactly the same as I bought, it is recommended to leave it in the freezer for 24 hours so I won't disturb it until tomorrow morning.
There doesn't seem to be any need to evap and reduce the solvent according to the instructions. https://www.zauberpilzblog.net/en/blog/2019/01/18/extract-dmt-simple-guide/
If the salt solution is the issue, is there something I can do to salvage those extraction attempts?
They contain 100 grams of bark but it won't be a big loss, I am learning loads thanks to these failures.
downwardsfromzero
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Tepescohuite can often be trunk bark and gets used for its tannin content in the treatment of skin diseases.
25g in a brew suggests the bark could indeed be rather on the weak side. There's no way you'd be describing an experience with 25g of good bark (which would deliver you a whopping 500mg DMT) in terms of anything other than utter terror and possibly blackout - unless, perhaps, you have an anomalously low amount of 5-HT2a receptors in your brain?
Besides the latter, my diagnosis is still weak bark, maybe in a weak freezer. I'd say you can expect 0.4% yields at best.
Have you tried measuring the temperature of your ice compartment?
You could try recovering from the naphtha with a vinegar wash, evap, sodium carbonate paste to base, dry, then pull with acetone. That should be sufficient to show you whether the naphtha pulled anything much of interest.
25g in a brew suggests the bark could indeed be rather on the weak side. There's no way you'd be describing an experience with 25g of good bark (which would deliver you a whopping 500mg DMT) in terms of anything other than utter terror and possibly blackout - unless, perhaps, you have an anomalously low amount of 5-HT2a receptors in your brain?
Besides the latter, my diagnosis is still weak bark, maybe in a weak freezer. I'd say you can expect 0.4% yields at best.
Have you tried measuring the temperature of your ice compartment?
You could try recovering from the naphtha with a vinegar wash, evap, sodium carbonate paste to base, dry, then pull with acetone. That should be sufficient to show you whether the naphtha pulled anything much of interest.
Is it the same bark?
Aeroman
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Yes, I buy it shredded.
No idea which part of the plant it comes from. You're probably right, I started with what I thought would be a strong dose - 10 grams, I was pleasantly surprised to find it gave a psychedelic experience but I was looking for the intensity of vaped freebase so I upped the quantity until I reached 25 grams.
So if trunk/stem bark contains 0.03% DMT, 25 grams of bark would contain below 75 mg of DMT, right? I might be able to extract up to 750 mg from 250 grams. That might still be worth it.
There is a different source, I'll have to experiment with their powdered bark, it seemed to be equally as weak when I brewed it a while ago.
Once I get an extraction tek to work, I'll have to up the quantity of bark, mimosa hostilis root bark is supposed to be illegal in this country so it's risky to import some but I can just walk down the road and buy the stem bark cheaply in a shop here where I live.
I don't have a thermometer that measures negative temperatures at the moment, I'll have to do the best with what I can get hold of and the equipment I have, maybe leaving the solvent longer in the freezer will achieve similar results, what do you think?
If I manage to get even a tiny amount of spice extracted, it's probably not worth saving those previous extraction attempts, the bark is so cheap to buy. But thanks for the pointer.
Aeroman
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I found this thread:
I would imagine the fastest way to extract DMT from large amounts of weak stem bark is to do a big ayahuasca brew over several hours, concentrate the brew phases to a managable amount and basify that before attempting an extraction.
What do you think?
I would imagine the fastest way to extract DMT from large amounts of weak stem bark is to do a big ayahuasca brew over several hours, concentrate the brew phases to a managable amount and basify that before attempting an extraction.
What do you think?
downwardsfromzero
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Yes, an A/B would be more suitable. Bear in mind though - you'll probably have a load of tannins to deal with.Aeroman said:
Check your workings. Your results correspond to 0.3%, which seems reasonable if you got a decent effect with 25g.
der-seemann
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Aeroman said:
Aeroman, just a thought from my side: If you can't pull enough DMT to super saturate your NPS in your freezer, make a mini-AB.
Take a small amount of vinegar and add to your solvent after the pull. Your solvent should get milky, and after some shaking and waiting it should get clear again. now all alkaloids are concentrated in the vinegar.
You can use the same small amount of vinegar over and over again to wash all the different solvents you've been using / trying the last days.
Then basify the vinegar and pull again at high temperature with your favorite NPS. This time you should get a higher concentration and thus have better chances for freeze-perspiration.