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One way to make tetrahydroharmine

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Hello!

I have a question regarding conversion of Harmine/harmaline extracted from Syrian Rue. I'd like to skip the separation of Harmine/harmaline before reducing Harmaline to THH (with magnesium).

Is this a problem in some way? I dont mind having a mix of THH and Harmine.
 
No, there shouldn't be since the harmine won't react. Only reason to separate would be to know exactly how much harmaline is in there to start with, and being able to do more custom dosing, try THH by itself etc. For standard aya use, you can do the magnesium hydrogen reduction on the combined alkaloids.
 
It might be worth taking a look at Jagube's thread where some difficulties may have been encountered. A replication of this would be valuable - so if it doesn't work so well on the mixed DHH/H you can at least rest in the glow of having made a contribution to science, before getting the ammonia out and starting over with a basic harmala separation :)
 
Great, thank you for your replies!
I've ordered pure magnesium so it wont be exactly like Jagube's zinc reduction.

But yes, for science .. or for art :)
 
Making folks aware...

THH can be purchased from a US vendor. $68 for 5 grams with free 2-day shipping. Also available in smaller quantities without the free shipping. It's sold as a nootropic, and actually comes with a certificate of analysis. I haven't sampled it yet.
 

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Thanks shroombee. Once you have sampled, perhaps you could post a reply with how it went and maybe even an experience report. ;-) Safe travels.
 
I had no idea. But I'm in Europe and also like the process (mostly). So I'll try the kitchen-lab route.
 
Nice find Shroombee.
 

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Thank you ava69. It look like a good method. But right now I dont have a vacuum filter but I'll see hat my friends have. Also I would prefer magnesium, since that is what I've ordered. But good with your zinc method.
 
Murklan said:
Thank you ava69. It look like a good method. But right now I dont have a vacuum filter but I'll see hat my friends have. Also I would prefer magnesium, since that is what I've ordered. But good with your zinc method.
Sounds good Murklan. I should note that the zinc/vinegar method can be done without a vacuum pump using just coffee filters, decantation of top portion of solutions, leaving zinc behind at bottom after spun solution sits a couple hours, filtering top solution only above the zinc thru a coffee filter, filtering off only the THH crystals that fall to the bottom of mason jar in the fridge after sitting several hours, and decanting off the top layer, etc. All the fancy equipment just makes it go faster.

p.s. I also saw an episode of "Ancient Aliens" in which they discovered remnants of zinc dust inside one of the chambers, and they believe the Egyptians were making hydrogen gas using zinc and vinegar, speculating that the great pyramid was some sort of power generating device.
 
Great ava69, I have time for that!

I also wonder if you, or someone, has tried sublingual DMT complexed with HPBCD but with harmalas before, instead of THH?
 
Murklan said:
Great ava69, I have time for that!

I also wonder if you, or someone, has tried sublingual DMT complexed with HPBCD but with harmalas before, instead of THH?
Sounds good Murklan, thanks for all your replies on this topic. Imho, I would not omit the tetrahydroharmine as it is the 2nd highest ingredient in Caapi based true Ayahuasca, very important. It would be like a waterpark without the women and bikini's. 😁 But yes, here on post #25 is a complete harmala based journey report: Journal: 50 Sublingual | <span style="frontcolor:pink !Important ;">High Pobability of Braindamage by Creepy non tested Drugs (forced by scammer 69ron)</span> | DMT Ayahuasca journeys over a years time - Pharmahuasca - Welcome to the DMT-Nexus

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Part 11: 70mg DMT complexed to 490mg HPBCD oral Ayahuasca report, +5 Shulgin scale
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Well, maybe I can end the confusion a little bit on the HPBCD DMT. The experiment was a success...I took the 70mg DMT complexed to 490mg of HPBCD all kneaded/crushed using end of another spoon...and mixed on a spoon for 2 minutes with 0.500 milliliter of VERY HOT near boiling water (around 10 drops of water). What I do is heat up a bit of water in a coffee cup in microwave & draw up drops of it using pipette. I read using hot water speeds & aids the mixing of the HPBCD to host drug.

I added the 0.5ml spoon full completely clear HPBCD DMT solution to 2oz of 120 degree hot water...this then immediately turned into 100% transparent water when it hit the hot liquid in the pyrex cup...This was stored in fridge until use...then when I was ready, the 2oz clear transparent liquid HPBCD DMT water solution, once re-heated up in pyrex pot on stove, to this was then added 200mg harmine + 250mg THH and some ascorbic acid (vit C) to help dissolve the freebase harmine + thh.

I gulped it down in one shot...there was virtually no taste! I think the HPBCD completely masked the taste of the nasty DMT...I was shocked...took it all together at same time at 3:30, I'm writing this 3 hours later.

It came on exactly like 30 grams of hawaiian psychotria! there was no difference between this and the leaf brew, again I was shocked...it gripped me powerfully, heavy tryptamine buzz and high frequency. The THH already imparts a body frequency buzz + DMT tryptamine buzz = amazing amplified body frequency.

A vibrating neon colored fortress like a magnetic field surrounded me in the room, it shined off of every object similar to a UV blacklight glow...this neon visual vibration appeared all around me, given off by everything around me. The vibrational frequency field reminded me of the tractor beam in Star Trek when they would transport. I've experienced this same phenomena with past journeys involving 30 to 35 grams of potent Hawaiian psychotria...but never with plain freebase DMT or DMT salts before, only again with this HPBCD DMT.

I had to remain in one spot sitting as it was so strong for 1 hour straight, the walls in the room filled with 3-D ish like honeycomb orange & brown geometrics that appeared to bulge slightly off the surface, like the inside of a bee hive, neon colors were abundant, heavy tracers...the beauty all around me was infinite, beautiful CEV's (spinning and dancing or constantly morphing geometrics) and OEV...I was amazed to say the least.

In conclusion, I am impressed with this route of administration via sublingual or oral.

During the oral Ayahuasca journey (200mg harmine + 250mg THH + 70mg DMT complexed to 490mg HPBCD) for the first hour, all objects glowed or shined as if in caught in a neon colored magnetic transporter beam.
 

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Thank you for that! I could/should have found your post about it myself.
I'll hopefully order the HPBCD soon, or do a tryout with corn starch first since it's so available.
I'm waiting for the magnesium ribbon to arrive, then I can make my own THH. Looking forward for that.
 
Murklan said:
Thank you for that! I could/should have found your post about it myself.
I'll hopefully order the HPBCD soon, or do a tryout with corn starch first since it's so available.
I'm waiting for the magnesium ribbon to arrive, then I can make my own THH. Looking forward for that.
Sounds great Murklan.

p.s. Music sounds out of this world incredible on oral THH + sublingual HPBCD complexed DMT
 

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Yes, music... I always travel with music. Have never tried THH but have had really amazing times with music and oral/sublingual Harmalas and smoked DMT.

Oral DMT Fumarate has never been really working for me, good and more physical sensations but now really deep. So I always wanted to 'top up' with smoked DMT as well. I'll see how it works with HPBCD / Corn starch.
 
shroombee said:
Mitakuye Oyasin said:
Thanks shroombee. Once you have sampled, perhaps you could post a reply with how it went and maybe even an experience report. ;-) Safe travels.
Thanks Mitakuye. Here is my experience report for THH and sublingual DMT complexed with HPBCD:


Thank you for the resource and report! Curious about some of the other nootropics available:).

One love

Ps. Planning on adding to the HPBCD project later this week.
 
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