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GreenD

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Hello,

I created that post for the exact reasons everyone of you responded with, and I hope you will take the time to figure out why.

The backing for the post comes from this;

A while back I was in a state of mind that lasted for a year and a half, I was consistently in and out of existance, and I've explained the state of mind so many times by now it's beginning to sicken me, just as an artist may sometimes get sick of his/her most popular song.

I was in a hell that I have only come to compare with two people; both of which were only on forums. One, was a man who spoke of a DMT trip where when he came back down, the elves continued to talk to him ,he was most likely experienceing schizophrenia (I never had voices, or hallucinations while sober). The second man was very recent, and his words struck a chord of the exact match of the first man, except his experience was with DXM.

The first man it is confirmed that he commited suicide. I cannot explain how that felt to me while I read that. I cried, yet I had never met him in person, but I cried because I knew why. I knew what he had felt, his words were mine, but he wouldn't listen to me.

The second man's last words on the forum I was in was "Please, you this is the only place I can go to." That was about a month ago and I'm not very pleased with the outcome.

I realize some of you may have taken the post in a very negative manner, and I intended that. But I wanted to (before the post got too long) explain something - and sorry I was intending it to be the 3rd post, after the first reply - but I was busy last night.

This is what I wanted to explain;

I have been beyond the point of suicidal, where suicide would be too good for me, where I couldn't even imagine feeling neutral, let alone good. I went through an entire year of daily panic attacks that I was going to end up schizophrenic, psychotic, and drooling in a corner while they have me in a straight-jacket. That post basically summed up my feelings toward the end of that year, I cannot even imagine what I really felt towards the peak of that feeling.

But here it is;

During my time in that year I was so envious that others could take psychadelics and have bliss, and feel love, I was so mad. I wanted so desperately to feel the warmth of Mother Earth's palms on my body, yet it was never there. I was always blatantly shown emptiness.

I was so envious of others, that they could feel love, compassion, connectedness. I was mad that I couldn't - why was it that my psychodelic experiences were so empty, so dark and grim? In reality - they weren't. They were just given in a different lens, at a inconvenient time for my psychology to accept.

After realizing, with logic, thought, and meditation, that it does not matter how bad you feel day to day, no matter what your negativity is amplified to - there is no reason to end this. Life is a beautiful thing, whether or not you can see this at all particular times doesn't matter, it's beauty is always existant. It is up to you to gain back your positivity, your bliss & euphoria. Life, reality can be viewed from a spectrum of lenses, it takes a smart mind, and persistance to find the lens that is right for you, the lens that give you happiness.

These communicators, these spells of wisdom, they are unbiased. They give you information through the lens that you have chosen. You are to blame for the feelings accompanied, this is tough to realize, but tis true. But you are plastic, you are constantly changing, day to day, you can change your lens, change your life, see the brightness through the clouds.

Here is a poem I wrote; Don't see bleak upon the rain, as rain is under sun. The sun exists upon your bliss and allows your fears to run. Hold and embrace what you can chase, these entities will be dear to you. Sum your chances, behold your branches, and reach for the upper blue.

I want to thank you all for reading & responding, and think twice for every post, every word.
 
Im glad you didnt commit suicide and I hope you do beleive your words that the world is a beautiful place to be in. Id love to hear more about your state of existence at that point unless it sickens you too much but would be good to hear, specially as the dxm guy had the same problem.

Much Love! And your poems great! :)
 
GreenD said:
Don't see bleak upon the rain, as rain is under sun. The sun exists upon your bliss and allows your fears to run. Hold and embrace what you can chase, these entities will be dear to you. Sum your chances, behold your branches, and reach for the upper blue

That is gorgeous :)

That looks to be a very worthwhile experience. Certainly what would be termed in some circles as a 'baptism of fire'. I guess it's about listening to what is reasonable, rational, and conducive to your own personal growth.

Just because some people do themselves damage doesn't mean everyone will. The first thing we learn when dealing with psychedelics is that different things affect different people differently. The second thing is that these 'medicines' must be treated with respect in relation to their power. Too much is too much. 😉

Having said that...SWIM looks forward to his first DMT experience and does so with perfect trust and perfect love. :d

Bless your heart, and thanks for sharing :)
 
Tell us ot think twice? WTF?

Yeah well I am glad that you figured out why life is worth living...but still i dont understand the point of your thread...

Lots of us here have had experiences like that and felt that way..kinda goes with the territory if you do this stuff enough..i dont think you are unique in that at all around here...

I like your poem and understand what you are saying..but still dont see the relevance to your origional post...
 
fractal enchantment said:
Lots of us here have had experiences like that and felt that way..kinda goes with the territory if you do this stuff enough..i dont think you are unique in that at all around here...

Wasnt he saying, basically, that he was tripping constantly and he knew a guy who had the same problem and he killed himself? Well hes saying that now, I dont understand the point of his first thread, but maybe he was trying to convey what it felt like in a weird way, then he added the kidding on bit, that wasnt cool but hes said this, maybe its a cry for help? Who knows?
 
Well yes imnot saying many of us know people who killed themselves!..but i am sure many of us have experienced some level of anxiety and negative emotions/paranoia etc after taking too many psychedelics..even from just opening up enough to that state and looking at the state of this world after..I think seeing the world that way(from drugs or not) is why alot of people kill themselves..doesnt always seem like a friendly place to be..and i am sure most of us have had those thoughts about society at one time or another.
 
Hey dude. I am glad that you are healing and finding a way to deal with the pain that you've experienced in the past. Hopefully you'll be able to feel bliss both on psychedelics and when sober.
 
fractal enchantment said:
Well yes imnot saying many of us know people who killed themselves!..but i am sure many of us have experienced some level of anxiety and negative emotions/paranoia etc after taking too many psychedelics..even from just opening up enough to that state and looking at the state of this world after..I think seeing the world that way(from drugs or not) is why alot of people kill themselves..doesnt always seem like a friendly place to be..and i am sure most of us have had those thoughts about society at one time or another.

Of course the majority here have had that same panic, but ive never really heard someone who says their constantly tripping in a big way. They tried to use psychs in the 60's to mimic the state of psychosis and it didnt really work out that way. I think it would be interesting to hear someone who says yes I have problems, its as if im always tripping. You always hear these stories of, the guy ended up tripping for life, usually bs, just ive never actually heard a personal testimony of such things. Or maybe he is a troll who knows, he writes very good poetry! :)
 
yeah thats true..i dont really buy into the whole flashback thing etc..

I have felt off the planet for about 2 days once after 5meo...but more from being shot so god damn far out there than acaully staying in a trip...

I knew a guy that used to do acid every day..said he has a friend in a hopsital now cus he took 100 hits and thought he was a spider and still thinks that..not that i really believe him though..its always some guy that knows a guy that these stories seem to come from...never first hand.
 
I also dont beleive in the flashback theory with psychs, ive never had one. hari krishnas mantra about psychedelics seems to be, oh you get flashbacks :roll:

Theirs a story round my town of a guy who took too much acid and now he walks backwards, my mother even said she seen him walking past and looking at her as he walks past, backwards. I think she just said that because I was an acid head lol Other folks have claimed to have seen him tho but yes its all second hand, and I dont beleive my lying mother lol
 
Guys I'm not a troll, and if you've ever posted anything on Psychonaut.com you probably know who I am... (Whoa what an ego...)

My point in making these posts have alot of weight, and if you are still not seeing it, I feel as if you fear people spreading negativity about DMT.

I am not here to spread negativity about DMT I am here so you guys don't forget how powerful this can be, and the possibilities when one does not see eternal sunshine while in hyperspace.

I know you are almost all experienced with DMT, and know how powerful it is, but I'm assuming, since most of you talk about many experiences, that it is (on average) kind to you. What I am saying, is that for the people that do not experience the kindness, that this is not something to become afraid of, frowned upon, or become negative about.

The showing of a completely negative world shows something about yourself - that your mind wants to change, your body... wants change. When one becomes depressed it is the signal to change one's surroundings, ideas, beliefs, or peers. It has been bogged down & shut out by society that change is encouraged while depressed, now it has become a disease, which pisses me the fuck off. It's not a fucking disease, it's a fucking cry to you, to get the hell out of what you're living in. Unfortunately alot of bad depression, especially that which is accompanied by the coming down of psychoactives is attributed to how you see everything. And by everything, I literally mean it can be everything, I'm sure you're all aware. So this type of depression from these types of neurological agents is extremely hard to overcome, and learn from.

For the man who wanted to learn more about my years in self-proclaimed psychosis, believe me, it doesn't bother me to talk about it anymore, in fact it most likely helps - however I could write a book, and alot of what I had thought back then wraps back in on itself, includes paradoxes, and is very difficult to describe. I haven't had anyone really be able to relate to what I felt, but I will say at the peak of the experience, I wasn't able to tell my dreams from reality, in the most literal sense. I would wake up, and not be able to diferentiate whether or not my last memory was from last night, or from the dream I had just woken from...

Sorry if you still do not understand my post, if you are angered at me, you are completely missing my point. That is probably my fault, and not yours.

As for me, I am completely ok now, and thats what I wanted to get across the most - I went through a full blown psychotic state, where I would have flashbacks (not propoganda type, no worries about that) thought about suicide on a daily basis, however fully recovered, enjoy life, and gain positive knowledge from the experience. I am only 20 years old and this happened when I was 16, and to be honest, it was so profound, that I actually consider myself a seperate person from the one pre-16 to now.

Of course, we change every minute...

I don't believe in permanent psychosis, schizophrenia, or vegetative state from psychadelics - as long as you continue to think, have motivation for change, and know how to talk to people - there really is no such thing as 'crazy'.
 
Glad your completely ok. I know what you mean when you say

this type of depression from these types of neurological agents is extremely hard to overcome, and learn from.

I had experiences when I was 14 that I still have to deal with. Back then an experience would always depress me and fill me with shame and, doesnt sound anything close to what you went through, but my problems seemed to hang over me a lot more when I was younger, when I got to 24-25 they didnt affect me as much. But their still there.

What I am saying, is that for the people that do not experience the kindness, that this is not something to become afraid of, frowned upon, or become negative about.

Im sure most folks wouldnt do that. The negative ones can be the most beneficial sometimes. Experiences and people posting about them.

What is your point though, is it dmt has a dark side??
 
"I am not here to spread negativity about DMT I am here so you guys don't forget how powerful this can be, and the possibilities when one does not see eternal sunshine while in hyperspace."

Well for what its worth I dont think you are a troll..I think you mean well..

But I mean..did you sign up here so that you can remind us how powerful DMT is?..I think that most people here know that..this isnt bluelight..or psychnoaut.com for that matter..there more respect for DMT on this forum than ANY other forum out there..with exception of the aya forums..

Maybe spend some time here and you will see that as soon as even a hint of disrespect towards how powerful DMT can be is percieved, there are always many many responces reminding peopel just how powerful DMT can be..

Im an NOT saying you meant for it to come out this way..but its almost like preaching to the quior..

I dont really think that its a very good thing to approach any psychedelic, let alone DMT expecting all sunshine and love in hyperspace..thats not really what medicine is about..medicine is about healing...if you have repressed shit that been sitting there for years..you NEED to feel that stuff to be able to let it go..you can't process it otherwise...sometimes the good parts dont come until a week..or weeks after the experience...you need to be able to accept that if you are even going to think about doing these things..

"The showing of a completely negative world shows something about yourself - that your mind wants to change, your body... wants change. When one becomes depressed it is the signal to change one's surroundings, ideas, beliefs, or peers. It has been bogged down & shut out by society that change is encouraged while depressed, now it has become a disease, which pisses me the fuck off. It's not a fucking disease, it's a fucking cry to you, to get the hell out of what you're living in. Unfortunately alot of bad depression, especially that which is accompanied by the coming down of psychoactives is attributed to how you see everything. And by everything, I literally mean it can be everything, I'm sure you're all aware. So this type of depression from these types of neurological agents is extremely hard to overcome, and learn from."


Yes I agree, but I also think that in part some of this can have to do with not ACCEPTING certainthings either..trying to change everyting MAY(not saying it is) be simply running away from things..it's a very humbling thing to learn to accept things the way they are and see the relevance in all situations and find peace in a situation even..instead of only seeing the negative side of it and thiking that its going to go away..
 
GreenD said:
if you are angered at me, you are completely missing my point. That is probably my fault, and not yours

First point is a possibility (but not universally true)...second point is too extreme.

Acceptance and growth appears to be a common theme here.

For many, the study and use of psychedelics is a search for truth (in my opinion). So to present a 'rose-tinted' view of certain medicines and their effects (without a presentation of very possible risks) must be incredibly dangerous.

Your post was worthwhile in that it presented how some folks feel, which led to discussions of how to deal with those feelings.

What wasn't appreciated (or so I gather) was the manner in which you presented your information.

I reiterate that I am yet to experience DMT...but I'd much rather have the risks made known to me rather than be blind to any challenges I might face.

Just a thought...
 
Sunshine, you will be fine, as will everyone who goes to the DMT realm, you just have to know when to accept things, when to let go, and just don't panic. Be calm and accept. :)

I didn't come here to preach, I was merely seeing the reaction of such a post, and had a plan to fix it if it was too extreme...

I'm on DMT-Nexus, I wouldn't come on here to tell you how powerful DMT is. The thing is, in my experience, people who go down the rabbit hole unsuccessfully, i.e. when they come back out they 'aren't all there' it is extremely hard to get them to baseline again, especially if you were on level with me. But it's possible, and the harder it is to get out, the more rewarding it is.

I'll leave this post at that, my threads from here on out will be more... relevant and acceptable, I promise. :d
 
GreenD, if you really are having emotional problems then talk to your doctor and ask to be referred to a psychologist, that would be the best course of action I feel. And stop taking psychedelics immediately just in case. I am wary of chastising you in case you are serious, but I have to admit that I am now sceptical of your motives, and you only have yourself to blame for that.

Treat others with sincerity, kindness and respect and you will get the right kind of attention.
 
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