Origins of Trance, Techno, Elektro and various genres

[benzyme]

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george clinton and the parliament funkadelic meet kraftwerk in an elevator, with a sequencer.
note the TEE (trans europe express) samples.

 

[Poekus]

1957. Kid Baltan. Researcher at Philips NatLab in the fifties. Way ahead of his time. True pioneer. Sample the first 10 secs of both tracks, layer with a 4/4 909 kick and there you have it.

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[benzyme]

that...is...awwwhawwhawwhawwsome...

the second one sounds familiar, I bet it is featured in autechre tracks.
I know it had to be sampled by some Warp artists.

 

[nen888]

that is truly ahead of it's time Poekus ! ..thank you for giving us that much-overlooked historical treasure

always enjoy some bambaataa and the soulsonic force cheers benzyme..a great moment

..in terms of electronic sonic texture, and in light of Kraftwerk, i think we can also say that co-German synth pioneers Tangerine Dream, while not quite having the funk, demonstrated admirably to the music world the power of the delay combined with 'ostinato' (repeating melodic riff), and the ability of atmospheric pads to landscape things..they were influenced in their move from conventional rock instruments to just synths in the early seventies after seeing Pink Floyd using one ('Meddle')

i thought i might throw a few more in, to try to tie together a few historical tangents

..where did Chuck Berry get it from? ..i have long thought about the roots of things, to various points, and i think i all comes from Boogie..not the 70s misappropriation to funk, but real Boogie, which was the dancehall form of blues, by the 40s, which kind of really put the R with the B ..one of the finest exponents of Boogie was John Lee Hooker, a true master..
..house, electro, disco, techno..it's all endless Boogie
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..ride, johnny, ride, on and on..
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..now dance music evolved on, funk, disco, etc...but there is something about 'House' that facilitated a rapid cultural evolution from it..in other words it's a true archetype, which becomes emulated and built on..
but it is not disco, or Gary Numan...where does it come from? if we look to the underground inspired club tracks that were influencing that Chicago scene, we find a handful of guides..signposts to it..here's one, cited by some djs as such,
from 1983>
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an early 80s club classic
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..as an afternote on an earlier post, and genre change ('trip hop?'), here's a breakdance track Massive Attack sampled [YOUTUBE]

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now, if there's a piece of music i think heavily influenced a lot of this early 80s pre-house/pre-electro and electronic, including 'culturally', it was >
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Vangelis..from Greece

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and last but certainly not least...

this is from 1982 and curiously prophetic (for house and trance)
..the Indian 'Raga Madhuvanti - Synthesizing: Ten Ragas to a Disco Beat' by Charanjit Singh

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thanks all who shared some tracks...was a great set
so far

stay well all,
N

 

[downwardsfromzero]

I'm enjoying this history - thank you everybody!

Meanwhile, back in 1995...
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Still gives me goosebumps every time.
A particularly good example of use of the 'Hoover noise', IMO.

 

[zhoro]

the evolution and cross-fertilisation of music is interesting..

and reliving older music is like a form of time-travel…
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Rhythm Nation !

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Continuing on those themes, from the Wiki of the godfather of Goa trance, Goa Gil.

"During the early 1980s, many Goa hippies were becoming increasingly fascinated with early electronic music such as Kraftwerk. Gil and his friends soon gathered some equipment and started DJing and playing live music all night long on the Goa beaches. The mix of outdoor electronic dance parties with Eastern mystical and spiritual overtones came to define the aesthetic of the psytrance movement."

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This documentary has much say about the technological and artistic origins of the music we love.

I Dream of Wires

 

[zhoro]

Another important inspiration I have heard discussed in these circles - the old master, JSB

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But, of course, it all comes from the original source that puts the tunes in our hearts and heads, the Gandharvas

 

[hug46]

..where did Chuck Berry get it from? ..i have long thought about the roots of things, to various points, and i think i all comes from Boogie..not the 70s misappropriation to funk, but real Boogie, which was the dancehall form of blues, by the 40s, which kind of really put the R with the B ..one of the finest exponents of Boogie was John Lee Hooker, a true master..

It seems to me that Africa, by way of the United States, has had a massive influence on modern music. I wonder what the current musical landscape would have been like if we hadnt had slavery. Perhaps in another parallel universe there is another human race that has never known slavery, people are generally nice to eachother and treat all other life forms with respect. One of the downsides to all this harmonious bliss could be that their pop music would probably be a bit crap.

 

[nen888]

^..you know hug46 (& thanks again for input), i think the beauty of these genres (electro, trance etc) is that they are a cross-breeding of the best of African/European/Asian (etc) innovations...more successful than any of the original donor genes..
a Hybrid for the future, and beyond...as we hopefully evolve further and survive and look after things and eachother..

..so while i'm fully down with the motherland..also, as zhoro points to, i think we have to include J.S. Bach in the origin equation here..keyboard music
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[nen888]

..electro's like Bach in Africa (as i recall thinking many years ago) with Asian innovation and wisdom..

ps. zhoro, i saw Laibach live in the late 80s in australia..they were great!
and downwardsfromzero - yes that is still intense..thanks!
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PPS. i said was going to dig up some more underground, influencing german stuff from around that beginning of trance era..
here's
FORCE LEGATO (V.1.0) - 1989
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[downwardsfromzero]

On that note,
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[benzyme]

just got Autobahn and Man Machine on vinyl tonight

https://flic.kr/p/C1cM48

I also got this on vinyl.
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truly great music brings me to tears, this track is an example.

he also made this one
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[anon_003]

Everyone, thank you so much for all of the contributions! It is one thing to listen to early, influential electronica but really quite another to relive it vicariously through you all. I can't even imagine how exciting these songs must have sounded back when they first came out.

Benzyme, lucky!! Gotta love some autobahn. Really takes you on an adventure if you just chill and paint the scene in your head.

Although I don't want to compromise the direction of this thread (even though I think jazz and its innovative spirit had a lot to do with inspiring electronic music), that herbie track you posted (maiden voyage) is just too good not to reciprocate. Just wow.


Herbie Hancock - Sly

 

[nen888]

thank you too anon_003..
and benz..it was great to hear Herbie Hancock..the first one is quite moving..

and also thanks a lot downwardsfromzero


a few more additions for the historical archives..

1992 German/Turkish with canadian..deep acid
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for the old school ravers >
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an early 90s semi-ambient classic, from the club dog/megadog era, for those who remember it..they were dutch i think from memory..
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..and speaking on the Man Machines train…here’s the first track featuring Dr. Dre..1986
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and yeah, this is still a great track..
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now..where do we go from here ?

 

[steppa]

now..where do we go from here ?

Over to the UK (1992):

The Ratpack - Searchin' For My Rizla

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Love this track especially the 2:40 part.

 

[Ufostrahlen]

Very classic, such amphetamine

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[nen888]

steppa...thank you for bringing light to rizzlas and 'Jungle'..which later evolved into Drum n Bass...a long rich history there...

and Ufostrahlen .. that Drax track was really awesome, i remember it well...thank you too


it makes me wonder where it all leads..when the next successful genetic mutation in collective dance music will emerge to inspire...


...of any track, this one was personally absolutely inspirational when it came out ('91-2 in think) ..it blew me away with it's past and future calling... and it was so new, so exciting...an edge, like a cult...also, the first time i heard it it was being mixed in with a couple of other tracks, to create one of the most amazing things i'd ever danced to at the time..
long live Underground Resistance !
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[cyb]

it makes me wonder where it all leads..when the next successful genetic mutation in collective dance music will emerge to inspire...

Well if it's the new mutations you are after then this young pup is making serious waves ... and serious sounds.

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[Jees]

Very classic, such amphetamine

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This kind of music always lead me to the unbelievable commonality between shaman icaros and modern elektro-music. The whole tune could as well be hummed/sang by a quechua shaman in a hut.
These modern trance music sometimes come to me as modernly "badly" brought shaman icaros,
or shaman icaros are "badly" brought modern trance music in return :lol:
Or they're just the same great evocations in their own fantastic way :thumb_up:

 

[Ufostrahlen]

and Ufostrahlen .. that Drax track was really awesome, i remember it well...thank you too

Glad you like it, nen888.

This kind of music always lead me to the unbelievable commonality between shaman icaros and modern elektro-music. The whole tune could as well be hummed/sang by a quechua shaman in a hut.

Yes, they are indeed interconnected imo. When I came back from a legit peyote trip in 2002 or so, this track below made perfectly sense. And by legit peyote trip I mean space alien god entity contact and hearing this special music, peyote eaters are familiar with. After all, shamans and western kids share the same building blocks, aka proteins and dna. Once certain receptors are opened, the brother- and sisterhood is obvious.

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The chorus on this track goes extremely well with 2C-E

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Italian disco vs. electro breaks from 83, very nice.

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