infinitynlove
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Fantastic!!!
Sending good vibes your way.
let me know how you get on
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P.Cubensis : Thai Purple (100% rye grain cakes)
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Archmage
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Started a new thread where pics of the ongoing progression will be posted.
HumbleTraveler
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This looks pretty fantastic.
Is there a very well explained link for this tek anywhere with info on where to source the necessary items, such as the rye cakes? (noob if you didnt catch on)
I was going to attempt to tackle the spawnbag tek some day. Is this simpler/easier or about the same?
Is there a very well explained link for this tek anywhere with info on where to source the necessary items, such as the rye cakes? (noob if you didnt catch on
)I was going to attempt to tackle the spawnbag tek some day. Is this simpler/easier or about the same?
infinitynlove
Mushroom Explorer
HumbleTraveler said:This looks pretty fantastic.
Is there a very well explained link for this tek anywhere with info on where to source the necessary items, such as the rye cakes? (noob if you didnt catch on
I was going to attempt to tackle the spawnbag tek some day. Is this simpler/easier or about the same?
hi there
I hope I can help with your query
The term cakes is what you make, you cannot buy rye cakes, you make it in a pressure cooker, normally the term cake refers to a cake made out of brown rice flower and vermiculite.
You can get rye online ebay for example, or from bakery suppliers or some bakers, you can use popcorn instead at a push but its far inferior grain with less nutrients. The rest of the stuff for the tek you can get from most hardware stores.
You first should read the BRF cake tek, The tek for BRF cakes can be found here brf tek @ fungi fun
All you do for this tek is the same as the BRF tek, but use rye instead of BRF and verm
so you do everything the same for the entire tek, but you ignore the instructions to use vermiculite and brown rice flower as a substrait, but do everything else the same... so instead of using brown rice flower you use rye grain
Grain prep : All you have to do to prepare you grain is...
Soak your rye grains over night, in the morning rinse the grains out very well. Rinse the grains several times ( fill pan with water and stir with wooden spoon or your hand ) until the water pouring of them is almost clear, then add some gypsum ( i have read that you can add up to 10% of total weight of the grain in gypsum, I recommend just a cup full for say 10 cakes worth of grain, the shrooms love it, its up to you, its use is optional), then boil the grain to the point where the grains start bursting, keep boiling for a few more mins and then, we want to saturate our grains with water. Then strain well and then lay out the grains on a towel and give them a good rub, drying their exterior by hand. This keeps the outside of the grain free from excess water, but dont worry as our grains are bursting because of the good old boiling we gave them, this has caused the grain to absorb several times the dry grains weight of water, which is ample for our mycelium to grow and thrive.
When they are ready, after you have dried them, then can go strait into your jars!
So you are using grains instead of brown rice flower, you do all the rest the same as in the tek linked above... so you fill jars, wipe, top with dry verm, cover with foil, pressure cook for 90 mins at 15 psi, let cool, inoculate in a glove box or under a flow hood, colonize, birth, drunk roll, fruit ... everything else is the same, the only difference is the use of rye berries / grain ... With the above BRF tek link and my way of doing grain you shouldn't need anything else !
Keep everything clean, clean as possible, and it should work first time, and the beauty of this is that you can get 8 even 9 flushes if you are lucky.
Hope this helps
Peace
HumbleTraveler
Rising Star
Thank you so much for taking the time to respond and explain 
If I may ask, what is the point of a pressure cooker in this context? Does it simply speed up the process or make the environment better for growing??
If I may ask, what is the point of a pressure cooker in this context? Does it simply speed up the process or make the environment better for growing??
infinitynlove
Mushroom Explorer
Hi there
Of course you may ask, it is an honest question to ask if you are totally new to this topic.
It will probably be better if we cover the basics, and then it will become clear why it is necessary to use a pressure cooker when making rye cakes.
When we are growing shrooms, we are cultivating a fungus, fungus needs food and water to grow and make mushrooms. Given that we provide enough water and food, when the fungus has fully grown and the conditions are right, mushrooms will grow, but at first we are not growing mushrooms, we are growing the fungus that will produce the mushrooms. When the fungus is not fruiting, fruiting is the stage where the fungus produces mushrooms, our fungus is often referred to as mycelium.
When growing shrooms, we need mushroom spores, the strain normaly grown is called Psilocybe cubensis. These spores usually comes in the form of a spore syringe
This is a syringe of spores ready to be injected into our rye, you can order a syringe online in most countries and most states.
So we have our spores, now we need something for our spores to grow on, so we are going to be using rye grain. We went over my own way to prepare grain before we pressure cook it, so I wont go on about that here
So why boil all this rye, put it into cakes and then have to pressure cook it?
Well when we are injecting our spores into our cakes, we are inoculating our grain with our mushroom spores, but if there are any other spores or existing bacteria, other mold, infections etc in our grain before we inject our spores our whole project will 100% fail!
Yes even after boiling our grain, it is still infected! simply exposing grain to the open unfiltered air for more than a few mins will infect our grains and our project will fail!
When growing mushrooms, how clean you can keep things is the number one factor in success or failure. Sterility at every stage is so important! if ignored it will cause 99% of your grows to fail!
Soooo ... We use a pressure cooker because it sterilizes our grains! A pressure cooker heats up water, as it evaporates and turns into a gass, it raises the pressure into the cooker. Because the pressure in the cooker increases as the water is turned to steam it means the water can then be heated so high that it greatly exceeds the temperature of boiling water. Also the effect of very heavy inner pressure cooker pressure is that the process causes lots the steam in to be forced intro every nook and hole in your rye cakes and it is literally forced into the grain itself. so after you have pressure cooked your cakes for 90 mins (sometimes i give em the full 2 hours) at 15 psi, they will be 100% sterile almost 100% of the time.
After this stage, we would normaly make a glove box, like this one.
So after our pressure cooker has cooked, we would clean out our glove box with bleach, peroxide and alcohol, then place the pressure cooker close to the box and then quickly move the cakes, wearing gloves of course, in to the box and close the lid, make sure you place the syringe in there along with some kitchen tissue and alcohol.
We then put our hands into the gloves, wipe the syringe with alcohol on the tissue, inject the spores into the cakes, you should have 2 layers of foil on your cakes, so inject it into the inner layer so the outer layer adds cover to the hole you just made in your cake.
then place in a ideally 80f clean dark place, a plastic tub in a warm room would work fine.
in about 2 - 4 weeks you will have fully colonized jars, then they are ready to fruit. (I can say how I go about fruiting cakes some other time if you like?)
that's pretty much it.
So we use a pressure cooker so we can sterilize our grains so only the fungus we want to grow actually grows rather than some other contaminant, some of the rarer contaminants can be dangerous to smell or breath in, so cleanliness = safety and success, nothing worse than waiting a month only to see everything go green with contaminants, and its back to square one! been there a few times.
I hope this helps
Love and peace
You are more than welcomeHumbleTraveler said:Thank you so much for taking the time to respond and explain
HumbleTraveler said:
Of course you may ask, it is an honest question to ask if you are totally new to this topic.
It will probably be better if we cover the basics, and then it will become clear why it is necessary to use a pressure cooker when making rye cakes.
When we are growing shrooms, we are cultivating a fungus, fungus needs food and water to grow and make mushrooms. Given that we provide enough water and food, when the fungus has fully grown and the conditions are right, mushrooms will grow, but at first we are not growing mushrooms, we are growing the fungus that will produce the mushrooms. When the fungus is not fruiting, fruiting is the stage where the fungus produces mushrooms, our fungus is often referred to as mycelium.
When growing shrooms, we need mushroom spores, the strain normaly grown is called Psilocybe cubensis. These spores usually comes in the form of a spore syringe
This is a syringe of spores ready to be injected into our rye, you can order a syringe online in most countries and most states.
So we have our spores, now we need something for our spores to grow on, so we are going to be using rye grain. We went over my own way to prepare grain before we pressure cook it, so I wont go on about that here
So why boil all this rye, put it into cakes and then have to pressure cook it?
Well when we are injecting our spores into our cakes, we are inoculating our grain with our mushroom spores, but if there are any other spores or existing bacteria, other mold, infections etc in our grain before we inject our spores our whole project will 100% fail!
Yes even after boiling our grain, it is still infected! simply exposing grain to the open unfiltered air for more than a few mins will infect our grains and our project will fail!
When growing mushrooms, how clean you can keep things is the number one factor in success or failure. Sterility at every stage is so important! if ignored it will cause 99% of your grows to fail!
Soooo ... We use a pressure cooker because it sterilizes our grains! A pressure cooker heats up water, as it evaporates and turns into a gass, it raises the pressure into the cooker. Because the pressure in the cooker increases as the water is turned to steam it means the water can then be heated so high that it greatly exceeds the temperature of boiling water. Also the effect of very heavy inner pressure cooker pressure is that the process causes lots the steam in to be forced intro every nook and hole in your rye cakes and it is literally forced into the grain itself. so after you have pressure cooked your cakes for 90 mins (sometimes i give em the full 2 hours) at 15 psi, they will be 100% sterile almost 100% of the time.
After this stage, we would normaly make a glove box, like this one.
So after our pressure cooker has cooked, we would clean out our glove box with bleach, peroxide and alcohol, then place the pressure cooker close to the box and then quickly move the cakes, wearing gloves of course, in to the box and close the lid, make sure you place the syringe in there along with some kitchen tissue and alcohol.
We then put our hands into the gloves, wipe the syringe with alcohol on the tissue, inject the spores into the cakes, you should have 2 layers of foil on your cakes, so inject it into the inner layer so the outer layer adds cover to the hole you just made in your cake.
then place in a ideally 80f clean dark place, a plastic tub in a warm room would work fine.
in about 2 - 4 weeks you will have fully colonized jars, then they are ready to fruit. (I can say how I go about fruiting cakes some other time if you like?)
that's pretty much it.
So we use a pressure cooker so we can sterilize our grains so only the fungus we want to grow actually grows rather than some other contaminant, some of the rarer contaminants can be dangerous to smell or breath in, so cleanliness = safety and success, nothing worse than waiting a month only to see everything go green with contaminants, and its back to square one! been there a few times.
I hope this helps
Love and peace
HumbleTraveler
Rising Star
Thank you again so much! I am going to PM you I have some further questions