Passion Flower Ayahuasca?

[RRunner]

So the mumble around the Nexus/internet is that Acacia's DMT is active orally. I've read a post or two about a Nexian who simply made his/her own Acacia tea and was granted DMT-like effects (though I hear this method produces significantly more pronounced/vivid/shocking visualizations)...

My question, or theory perhaps, is that if you were to blend a brew of both Acacia (mine is Acacia Confusa) and Passion Flower (tea bags containing Passiflora Incarnata), would this not create a Acacia-Passion Ayahuasca? The Maypop Passion Flower, along with others of the genus, contain Harman, Harmaline, Harmine, & Harmol, all of which are MAO Inhibitors, and I know that MAOIs are suppose to be what allows the DMT to be much more prolonged and intense. I bought the Maypop tea for Changa, but I'm curious if I may have inadvertently bought the ingredients for my first Hyperspace Tea?

Thanks to all who read and post!

 

[Ilex]

Passionflower can work, you will need a lot of it though - probably 1-2 ounces of plant material for an effective MAOI dose. It's a lot dreamier feeling than caapi or syrian rue.

 

[d-T-r]

Sounds like an idea worth trying

Passionflower can work, you will need a lot of it though - probably 1-2 ounces of plant material for an effective MAOI dose. It's a lot dreamier feeling than caapi or syrian rue.

Nice to know. I would of thought that much passionflower would send a person to sleep. I guess as a maoi it would just be a very relaxed/almost asleep heavy body state. Can imagine it feeling much cleaner than rue though.

 

[G_rambo]

I've also thought of this, maybe instead of using all of that plant material you could simply or not so simply extract the MAOI from the flower material and add it too the brew...

 

[RRunner]

Has anyone ever tried an MAOI extraction? That seems like it would be the way to do it, or perhaps use a plant with a higher level of MAOI than Passion Flower. 1-2 ounces seems quite the amount compared to the 1-10 grams of supposedly orally active Acacia tea.

Another question then, if ACRB IS orally active, wouldn't that entail it has its own MAOIs or something of the like? If this is the case, perhaps less would be needed from an outside source?

 

[G_rambo]

Has anyone ever tried an MAOI extraction? That seems like it would be the way to do it, or perhaps use a plant with a higher level of MAOI than Passion Flower. 1-2 ounces seems quite the amount compared to the 1-10 grams of supposedly orally active Acacia tea.

Maoi percentages
At the bottom of the page there is a little information about foods high in maoi's and some of the info will be useful...
I will keep looking for a more detailed chart.

 

[G_rambo]

Has anyone ever tried an MAOI extraction? That seems like it would be the way to do it, or perhaps use a plant with a higher level of MAOI than Passion Flower. 1-2 ounces seems quite the amount compared to the 1-10 grams of supposedly orally active Acacia tea.

Maoi percentages
At the bottom of the page there is a little information about foods high in maoi's and some of the info will be useful...
I will keep looking for a more detailed chart.

 

[G_rambo]

Has anyone ever tried an MAOI extraction? That seems like it would be the way to do it, or perhaps use a plant with a higher level of MAOI than Passion Flower. 1-2 ounces seems quite the amount compared to the 1-10 grams of supposedly orally active Acacia tea.

You can do an extract on Rue and put that and the dmt in capsules. It is called pharmahusca.

He answered both are questions lol and its all in one

 

[Ilex]

Nice to know. I would of thought that much passionflower would send a person to sleep. I guess as a maoi it would just be a very relaxed/almost asleep heavy body state. Can imagine it feeling much cleaner than rue though.

It probably would put you to sleep if you had that much passionflower on it's own - same with syrian rue, large doses taken on their own have a strong sedative effect. Adding a tryptamine changes the whole feeling, and is what keeps you awake.

When I experimented with passionflower, I wouldn't have called it "cleaner" than rue. Actually it was more fuzzy headed or hazy feeling. There are other sedative compounds in passionflower as well as it's content of harmala-type alkaloids.

 

[voyaj]

Has anyone brewed up the acacia confusa on its lonesome and witnessed DMT like effects?
I will throw caution to the wind and test out a small brew but prior knowledge would
be much appreciated.

Been having much difficulty, finding TEKs where spice from Acacia Confusa has been successfully
extracted and then mirrored with a detailed trip report.

I see a lot of hearsay but not much solid info.

Also, having difficulty finding info on whether the bark is active without an additional
MAOI. Fact or fiction?

Acacia threads on Nexus are unfortunately disjointed and messy and I have been through them thoroughly.
The most important information I have found regarding spice extraction of
acrb is that one should use a A/B TEK such as LexTek.

Anyone have answers, info? Thank you in advance.

So the mumble around the Nexus/internet is that Acacia's DMT is active orally. I've read a post or two about a Nexian who simply made his/her own Acacia tea and was granted DMT-like effects (though I hear this method produces significantly more pronounced/vivid/shocking visualizations)...

 

[John Smith]

I've never read someone successfully inhibiting mao with passionflower. From what I remember you need over 5 times dried plant material more than caapi. Imagine trying to hold in concentrated tea made from 250 grams of passionflower... Not going to happen. Maybe it could work with anti-nausea substances ... something like 5 datura seeds and some weed perhaps. Would be interesting to hear an account of anyone doing that.

 

[Ilex]

Passionflower is variable in alkaloid content, but good quality Passiflora incarnata can have ~0.1% beta-carboline content. Leaves and (sometimes) roots are generally more concentrated than flowers. So ~50 grams of good passionflower leaf would give you about 50 mg of beta-carbolines, which is a threshold dose. I've used about 2 ounces of Passiflora incarnata brewed as tea to potentiate mushrooms - it worked, the trip had this strange hazy quality to it, was very deep for the amount of mushrooms used, and it lasted longer too: 7-8 hours of tripping, rather than the usual 5 hours. For trying to potentiate DMT containing plants, you might need to use more.

It's an old one, but there's some info here on using a crude passionflower extract to potentiate smoked DMT:

Erowid Syrian Rue Vault : Three Beta-Carboline Containing Plants...

'Three Beta-Carboline Containing Plants as Potentiators of Synthetic DMT and Other Indole Psychedelics', by Gracie and Zarkov - 1985.

www.erowid.org

Also passionflower has a high content of flavonoids, some of which (eg quercetine, kaempferol and chrysine) have some MAOI activity of their own. We've been assuming that if passionflower works as an MAOI, it's only because of the beta-carboline content, but it's possible flavonoids are acting synergistically with the beta-carbolines.

There's mention of it in the passionflower thread:

Passifloras of Interest..(& MAOI plant Flavonoids) - Collaborative Research Project - Welcome to the DMT-Nexus

From the above thread:

B. D. Sloley et al.
["Identification of Kaempferol as a Monoamine Oxidase Inhibitor and Potential Neuroprotectant in Extracts of Ginkgo Biloba Leaves" Journal of Pharmacy and Pharmacology Volume 52, Issue 4, pages 451–459, April 2000]
[...]
some potent MAOI flavonoids include quercitrin, isoquercitrin, rutin, and quercetin, which were isolated from the leaves of Melastoma candidum. They exhibited an inhibitory effect on MAO-B. The IC50 values 19.06, 11.64, 3.89, and 10.89 μM respectively/
["Monoamine Oxidase B and Free Radical Scavenging Activities of Natural Flavonoids in Melastoma candidum "
Mei-Hsien Lee et al. J. Agric. Food Chem., 2001, 49 (11), pp 5551–5555]

It's worth a shot, right?

 

[jamie]

I've never read someone successfully inhibiting mao with passionflower. From what I remember you need over 5 times dried plant material more than caapi. Imagine trying to hold in concentrated tea made from 250 grams of passionflower... Not going to happen. Maybe it could work with anti-nausea substances ... something like 5 datura seeds and some weed perhaps. Would be interesting to hear an account of anyone doing that.

nen888 has done it.

 

[RRunner]

Has anyone brewed up the acacia confusa on its lonesome and witnessed DMT like effects?
I will throw caution to the wind and test out a small brew but prior knowledge would
be much appreciated.

[/quote]

I did read one or two accounts of a straight ACRB brew producing effects. Unfortunately I've also heard that it's particularly less pleasurable than DMT, in regards to the visualizations.
If I can find the thread, I'll be sure to post it!

 

[deadhor5]

Has anyone brewed up the acacia confusa on its lonesome and witnessed DMT like effects?
I will throw caution to the wind and test out a small brew but prior knowledge would
be much appreciated.

Been having much difficulty, finding TEKs where spice from Acacia Confusa has been successfully
extracted and then mirrored with a detailed trip report.

I see a lot of hearsay but not much solid info.

Also, having difficulty finding info on whether the bark is active without an additional
MAOI. Fact or fiction?

Acacia threads on Nexus are unfortunately disjointed and messy and I have been through them thoroughly.
The most important information I have found regarding spice extraction of
acrb is that one should use a A/B TEK such as LexTek.

Anyone have answers, info? Thank you in advance.

So the mumble around the Nexus/internet is that Acacia's DMT is active orally. I've read a post or two about a Nexian who simply made his/her own Acacia tea and was granted DMT-like effects (though I hear this method produces significantly more pronounced/vivid/shocking visualizations)...

Ive only worked with ACRB, and while it may just be that my bark is of a higher quality than most, ive been getting solid 3% yields using Cybs ATB tek with an extended heated acid and base soak ( 7+ hours in the acid, 4 in the base) and a freeze lyse beforehand as detailed in thicklights tek.

when i did it without the freeze lyse and extended soaks i got just under 2%, but with the soaks and the lyse, ive repeatedly gotten right around 3%