Passionflower Tea

[PureMan]

SWIM and his girlfriend plan on taking some acid tomorrow, and was wondering what a good dosage, gram-wise, would be appropriate to potentiate the the effects of the tabs. Can he make a tea and then boil it down to get a stronger extract?

He was also curious about the proper timing to take the tea during the trip.

 

[wade]

Use a couple grams per person and drink the tea with the dose

 

[69ron]

It's more an "alteration" than "potentiation" that you’ll experience. It makes the acid more like ayahuasca, but doesn’t make it much stronger.

 

[wade]

I agree
When I used to do this I noticed a calming effect and a strengthening of visions,
not necessarily making the dose stronger just, as you said, altered.

 

[PureMan]

When you say it is more like ayahuasca, do you mean that it is more healing, or are the visuals are more like aya?

Can anyone tell me how aya visions are different than lsd visions?

 

[69ron]

SWIM has NEVER had visions on LSD that were more than some fancy shapes even on massive doses where “LSD delirium” kicks in.

But with passionflower, even low doses of LSD can produce meaningful visions. In that way it’s more like ayahuasca.

 

[PureMan]

The visuals SWIM gets from LSD surpass visuals he has gotten from anything else. Fungus doesn't do much for him in the visual department.. but acid gives him the most amazing visuals.

The last time SWIM took acid, he was building holographic space ships with his mind. :|

SWIM wonders just how much more amazing the visions can get..

 

[69ron]

Some people can never reach a visionary experience with LSD. SWIM is one of those people. In that way it’s sort of like 5-MeO-DMT for SWIM, but he does get interesting shapes and stuff from LSD, but nothing at all approaching the visions you can get from ayahuasca or mescaline.

The passionflower expands LSD’s visionary effects so that people like SWIM can get full blown visions from LSD. Without it, SWIM can’t get them from LSD.

The whole experience is altered quite a lot by passionflower, not just the visions. Pretty much every aspect of the trip changes.

 

[Phantastica]

The passionflower expands LSD’s visionary effects so that people like SWIM can get full blown visions from LSD. Without it, SWIM can’t get them from LSD.
The whole experience is altered quite a lot by passionflower, not just the visions. Pretty much every aspect of the trip changes.

i would guess that this "alteration" happens with LSH as well..right? what about with LSA? since they're both lysergic acid, i would assume this visionary alteration would be present in both (correct me if i'm wrong), but to what degree and in what aspects is it different from LSD?

 

[69ron]

i would guess that this "alteration" happens with LSH as well..right? what about with LSA? since they're both lysergic acid, i would assume this visionary alteration would be present in both (correct me if i'm wrong), but to what degree and in what aspects is it different from LSD?

The alteration of effects occurs with LSH (I assume it’s LSH in the seeds that’s active, because it isn’t LSA) too, nearly as effectively as it does with LSD, and in pretty much the same way.

LSA is a sedative and uninteresting, it’s not a psychedelic. I don’t know why people think it’s psychedelic. SWIM has tried pure LSA before and it just makes you drowsy.

Passionflower effects LSD more than any other psychedelic I know of. It also works for most other psychedelics in a similar way, making them more like ayahuasca as well.

 

[polytrip]

Passionflower changes much of the experience, and gives it ayahuasca-like qualities indeed, but to me it still feels like LSD. The real quality of LSD is luckily enough still present. To me it DID seem to amplify the effects of it in one way: it makes the whole experience more immersive.

It also seemed to make the peak of the experience last longer, while the general duration may not have increased much. Even at the end there still where full visions.

Another thing is that normally on LSD, when it has worn off, there are still a few hours where i find it difficult to fall asleep. The passionflower completely erased this side-effect.

 

[69ron]

Yea, it still remains like LSD, just sort of an ayahuasca version of LSD. It’s really a nice combination. Anyone who has LSD should give it a try at least once. SWIM has never felt any negative effects at all from the passionflower and LSD mix. It’s always felt smooth, no side effects, just a very pleasant visionary experience.

SWIM does prefer LSD on it’s own though in most cases. But if he wants a vision quest, he adds the passionflower. Also, passionflower at the end of the trip really helps to smooth out the rough edges so you can easily sleep as others have said.

 

[Seven]

hmm swim wonders how it would effect a 4-AcO-DMT trip. Does passion flower tea effect a regular mushroom trip?

 

[polytrip]

hmm swim wonders how it would effect a 4-AcO-DMT trip. Does passion flower tea effect a regular mushroom trip?

Most certainly. Passionflower and mushrooms go very well together.

 

[hyperspacing]

Oooh lucky you. I love me some acid. Lol. Havnt heard of any going around in my circles for 3 or 4 years now. You would think anything could be found in las vegas. I wanna see what a dose of dmt does when peaking. One day ill find out.

 

[Seven]

Oooh lucky you. I love me some acid. Lol. Havnt heard of any going around in my circles for 3 or 4 years now. You would think anything could be found in las vegas. I wanna see what a dose of dmt does when peaking. One day ill find out.

I hear ya man, Acid i think has to be my favorite. I cant get enough of the synergizing with music.

 

[wade]

"Another thing is that normally on LSD, when it has worn off, there are still a few hours where i find it difficult to fall asleep. The passionflower completely erased this side-effect."

This is another key aspect of the passionflower with acid combination that I have noticed as well

 

[Phantastica]

LSA is a sedative and uninteresting, it’s not a psychedelic. I don’t know why people think it’s psychedelic. SWIM has tried pure LSA before and it just makes you drowsy.

really!?? LSA is totally a psychedelic to SWIM. he's only done it once (5 seeds) and tripped balls. his mind felt like it had become a house, and he could walk in the different rooms and explore different parts of his mind. also many of the memories experienced previously on mushrooms were flooding in that he had totally forgotten about. also, these memories came with a deep emotional charge to them just like they were experienced on mushrooms.
The ayahuasca-like synergistic properties definitely sound like worth giving a try.
Ron, i remember you posted a thread called "Passionoxia" (the combo of passionflower and datura inoxia). have you tried this "passionoxia" with LSD as well? if so how different were the effects compared to just passionflower.
it seems like this could have nice synergistic effects since datura potentiates, and passionflower alters the experience.
any thoughts..?

 

[69ron]

LSA is a sedative and uninteresting, it’s not a psychedelic. I don’t know why people think it’s psychedelic. SWIM has tried pure LSA before and it just makes you drowsy.

really!?? LSA is totally a psychedelic to SWIM. he's only done it once (5 seeds) and tripped balls.

This is how this rumor spreads. The seeds contain LSH (the most likely psychedelic in the seeds) as well as many other compounds. Its not the LSA in the seeds that is psychedelic. Its proven to be a sedative, and even listed as such by the DEA. Even the inventor of LSD calls LSA a sedative. Animal tests show LSA to be a sedative as well. Only LSH in the seeds gives results like LSD in animal tests.

LSA is a documented sedative, and in fact is scheduled (Schedule III) as a sedative, not a psychedelic!

If you try PURE LSA, not seeds which contain other psychedelics, you'll see, it's a sedative. Hofmann (the inventor of LSD) injected up to 1 mg of LSA and found it was a powerful sedative, with only extremely light psychoactive effects. He concluded that it could not possibly on its own be responsible for the effects of the seeds. All tests I've ever seen show that LSA is a sedative with only very mild psychoactivity. That's why it's classified as a sedative by the DEA. It’s very likely that it’s mild psychoactivity is caused by it converting to LSH in the body (from acetaldehyde being present, but this is just a theory of SWIMs).

 

[Phantastica]

oh damn didn't know that. thanks for the info ron. i was thinking of extracting the LSA from the seeds, but seems like eating the seeds straight is the way to go.
so someone would still trip if the LSA was extracted out of the seeds right? since LSA is a sedative, isn't it better then to discard it (or convert to LSH), and consume just seeds without the LSA, or no..?