So on my social circle, it seems that of everyone I've Spiced, not one seems to have had a deeply meaningful experience that changed then on any way. Once gotten lots of"dudes" @"whoa mans"but very little in the way of transformative words. It bugs me. Is there something in met having top do with spiritual studies that makes my experiences do deeply personally meaningful? I've been offered enough money to help change my situation, but refuse to help create a market for it. Help met out of the swamp of disillusionment.
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I have had a similar experience-- most the friends I have shared with seem to respond in a shallow way. Over time, I have realized that it is a coping mechanism-- most these friends, after reflecting on their experiences, speak much more soberly. They are often too intimidated to want to try it again.
Try circling back to some of your friends later to ask them about the experience. You might find they have something surprising to say.
Try circling back to some of your friends later to ask them about the experience. You might find they have something surprising to say.
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I don't think that's uncommon. Most folks aren't looking for enlightenment, change or new perspectives - even a lot of the ones that say they are. I think nine out of ten people given something designated a "drug" by the government or institutions of power will treat it as a source of inebriation (akin to the attitude towards alcohol) rather than a possible avenue for learning, changing, improving etc. - like many folks here at the Nexus do.
only one person I have dosed has got it, I was thinking about this and wondering, as you have, "why don't they get it?", "how can they miss it?"
After a while the question flipped on me and I now wonder something different, instead of thinking "why don't these people get it it?" I now wonder "why do I get it?"
I think "why do I get it?" is a much better question to ask yourself as ultimately it doesn't matter what others think of, or take from, the experience. It would be nice to have more people to sit down with and talk about these things but I don't dwell on that to much cos that's what you lot are for:thumb_up:
After a while the question flipped on me and I now wonder something different, instead of thinking "why don't these people get it it?" I now wonder "why do I get it?"
I think "why do I get it?" is a much better question to ask yourself as ultimately it doesn't matter what others think of, or take from, the experience. It would be nice to have more people to sit down with and talk about these things but I don't dwell on that to much cos that's what you lot are for:thumb_up:
I think about the majority of my DMT experiences, which are somewhere right at the threshold level, enough for a good solid ego death, deep universal insights, etc; but not necessarily a godhead experience. And without my long history of work with LSD and mushrooms I don't honestly know if I would be capable of seeing these threshold experiences in a spiritual or transformative context. Because I am focused on a lifelong transformative process, even a low level trip of any kind fits somewhere into that larger picture. But without some kind if overarching context to fit it all into, it would probably just be a Whoa Dude kind of thing.
I've shared the spice with only a small handful of true newbies, and always very cautiously. One of them is a fellow that has been taking LSD for the past year or so, and he is by far the most conscious of what he's getting from DMT, which so far ive shared with him twice. Others, including perple I've known for years and years, stoners with possibly a little acid in their deep past... These guys appreciate it but have a hard time getting anything concrete from it. The experience is, I think, just too extreme for most people to easily or comfortably process.
I agree that it's worth a quick follow-up conversation with some of these folks, see if they were able to digest their experiences and make some kind if personal sense from them.
I've shared the spice with only a small handful of true newbies, and always very cautiously. One of them is a fellow that has been taking LSD for the past year or so, and he is by far the most conscious of what he's getting from DMT, which so far ive shared with him twice. Others, including perple I've known for years and years, stoners with possibly a little acid in their deep past... These guys appreciate it but have a hard time getting anything concrete from it. The experience is, I think, just too extreme for most people to easily or comfortably process.
I agree that it's worth a quick follow-up conversation with some of these folks, see if they were able to digest their experiences and make some kind if personal sense from them.
Some people are pre-disposed towards seeing their states of mind as part of an inner exploration (and even without such substances they are probably the ones who become artists, poets, and visionaries of various types), but for most it is probably dependent on cultural context. 'Partying' is the cultural context they have learned for altering their consciousness, so that is what they see. It's not an exploration, it's a diversion. 
These substances aren't magic, and what they give to you depends a lot on what you bring to them.
Still, a small percentage will see some door in themselves open up wide and realize there's a whole lot more inside of them than they previously imagined. Then it's down the rabbit hole they go...
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These substances aren't magic, and what they give to you depends a lot on what you bring to them.
Still, a small percentage will see some door in themselves open up wide and realize there's a whole lot more inside of them than they previously imagined. Then it's down the rabbit hole they go...
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I can't say that I find dmt deeply spiritual either....for me dmt is still a "whoooa duuuude" crazy-ass rollercoster drive. I still smoke dmt just for the fancy colours.
Such responses to the ambiguously called "spirit molecule" are very OK. After all it is just a tool (useful to some, useless to many) and it is all in the way you use it. NO magic in the dmt I am afraid. It is a sure-fire for failure if you try to categorise a psychedelic substance as being "this" or "that" or capable of "this" or that".
Such responses to the ambiguously called "spirit molecule" are very OK. After all it is just a tool (useful to some, useless to many) and it is all in the way you use it. NO magic in the dmt I am afraid. It is a sure-fire for failure if you try to categorise a psychedelic substance as being "this" or "that" or capable of "this" or that".
A agree; Alcohol however for me is the number 1 in my list of deeply transformative substances, with mushrooms coming second with a close difference. It's all personal you see, other people find long solitary walks very transformative.Pup Tentacle said:
I think if you are searching out a spiritual nature or deep meaning with in the DMT experience it finds you much easier. The people I have dosed that sought out a spiritual meaning in life, when dosing got it, those that were not so spiritual or weren't in search of, did not have that sort of experience.
Intent isn't always just what you apply, you have intent in your life. You just live your intent. That one I think shapes the experience the most. The implied intent just directs it in different directions. Much like in "real" life.
Subconscious intent as opposed to conscious intent.
Although I have also found that with the people who don't necessarily have the subconscious intent we do, they need to work with it more in order to be able to decode the message better. Over time I think most people will have that experience you have. They just have to seek it out within, and it will become available to them. To me it seems to be perceptual blindness.
This resonates with me immensely when it comes to perceiving the experience. My first several doses, I didn't get the same kind of experience I do now. Even though I had the same subconscious spiritual intent I do now, I think it is more advanced and I understand a little more. Some others I have dosed experienced the same thing. The message was so intense and advanced beyond our understanding that at first the astonishment made it difficult to truly pay attention to what was happening. Over time the message and the method of transferring the message to me became more clear.
Even now, that I have yet to jump back on board with dosing I am finding every few days I get a more clear picture of certain aspects of life and so on as long as I abstain from any substances. I believe once I reach a certain point and am able to go back to dosing my experience will be different and possibly more advanced than I have previously experienced.
Intent isn't always just what you apply, you have intent in your life. You just live your intent. That one I think shapes the experience the most. The implied intent just directs it in different directions. Much like in "real" life.
Subconscious intent as opposed to conscious intent.
Although I have also found that with the people who don't necessarily have the subconscious intent we do, they need to work with it more in order to be able to decode the message better. Over time I think most people will have that experience you have. They just have to seek it out within, and it will become available to them. To me it seems to be perceptual blindness.
This resonates with me immensely when it comes to perceiving the experience. My first several doses, I didn't get the same kind of experience I do now. Even though I had the same subconscious spiritual intent I do now, I think it is more advanced and I understand a little more. Some others I have dosed experienced the same thing. The message was so intense and advanced beyond our understanding that at first the astonishment made it difficult to truly pay attention to what was happening. Over time the message and the method of transferring the message to me became more clear.
Even now, that I have yet to jump back on board with dosing I am finding every few days I get a more clear picture of certain aspects of life and so on as long as I abstain from any substances. I believe once I reach a certain point and am able to go back to dosing my experience will be different and possibly more advanced than I have previously experienced.
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you infund.
i have had experiences all over the spectrum, with DMT giving me some "direct" messages about my personal life and personal paths that i can choose to take for health and happiness, i have also had completely random nonsensical experiences where i transform into a 16 bit cube from megaman-x and slide around an infinite grid-world of 16 bit blips and video games.
you infund.i have had experiences all over the spectrum, with DMT giving me some "direct" messages about my personal life and personal paths that i can choose to take for health and happiness, i have also had completely random nonsensical experiences where i transform into a 16 bit cube from megaman-x and slide around an infinite grid-world of 16 bit blips and video games.
To echo Nitegazer's original response, the DMT experience is very confusing and personal, and we should not assume that some are shallow just because they do not express the result of their trips. Different people process their new-found revelations in different ways and there's nothing wrong with a person not reacting to DMT in the same way (and with the same immediacy) that we do. On at least one occasion, I have had the same feeling about someone to whom I introduced DMT, but later found out that the DMT experience had greatly influenced their life.
How people are introduced to the experience will also affect their reaction. For example, people are probably not inclined to make a big deal out of their DMT trip if a DMT pipe is being passed around at a party. On the other hand, if you speak of it as though it is a sacrament, set up an atmosphere of sacredness during smoke sessions, and ask for silence from others during one person's trip, it queues people in to the potential importance of the DMT experience. People will readily follow your lead and will inherit your attitude of respect during such introductory sessions if you actively set the mood. This is just what I've found in my limited experience introducing others to DMT.
How people are introduced to the experience will also affect their reaction. For example, people are probably not inclined to make a big deal out of their DMT trip if a DMT pipe is being passed around at a party. On the other hand, if you speak of it as though it is a sacrament, set up an atmosphere of sacredness during smoke sessions, and ask for silence from others during one person's trip, it queues people in to the potential importance of the DMT experience. People will readily follow your lead and will inherit your attitude of respect during such introductory sessions if you actively set the mood. This is just what I've found in my limited experience introducing others to DMT.
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That I think this a straight forward and simple explanation and well said.
Spice is a very powerful medium and not too many people can handle it. For many people ( and here we are only talking about the few who are willing to try it,) it just scares the hell out of or confuses them so much that they never touch it again. I think it takes a special sort of seeker to be truly open to entering the "non-reality" portal, get their entire world as they know it shattered, and then come back for more!
I have great respect for such fellow travelers!
Thank you all for your intelligence and insight. I can't express enough gratitude for what I've been seeing as solely the "gift" of the dmt experience, but I'm beginning to see that it's what I've made of it, and without my study on spiritual matters, it'd prolly be a whoa dude" thing for me too. The fact is, I'm looking for something, and dmt helped ME find what I'm w looking for.
I still an on the road I'm on, towards academic research of psychs for mental issues, but see that it's more complex than just giving a substance to someone, standing back and waiting for them to find meaning.
Thanks again, y'all. Saved my the nexus:thumb_up: again from yet another existential crisis
I still an on the road I'm on, towards academic research of psychs for mental issues, but see that it's more complex than just giving a substance to someone, standing back and waiting for them to find meaning.
Thanks again, y'all. Saved my the nexus:thumb_up: again from yet another existential crisis
