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phenethylamine? Need helpful insight before extraction begins!

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Drake

Drake

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I have completed the most complex task for any Aussie thus far. Getting a positive I.D on hes/her plant! The photos I posted are indeed of Acacia podalyriaefolia, or in this case Acacia podalyriifolia. Wiki sure is screwy sometimes, says podalyriaefolia on the Psychedelic plants page, then click the link of podalyriaefolia and the names is then podalyriifolia.

Anyhow, I am now well on my way to extracting my own DMT. But I want to look into another potential problem. Wiki states as quoted:

Tryptamine in the leaf, 0.5% to 2% DMT in fresh bark, phenethylamine, trace amounts
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I went and looked at what phenethylamine is in wiki... But I still don't have a great understanding of what phenethylamine is? Could it have an effect in any way? If not a negative way? Trace amounts of phenethylamine is in chocolate, and no "harm" is done. But you don't smoke chocolate...

Any helpful insight on if I should worry about this would be fantastic!

Also, somewhat off topic, but will ask for the sake of making sure nothing gos wrong! Wiki sates 0.5% to 2% DMT in fresh bark. Dose this mean I don't really have to dry the bark? Could any problems occur from not having dry bark?

As always, I thank the people of The Nexus!
 
The REAL TRUTH about these things is that NOBODY really knows everything that's in them, or exactly what is and what isn't in them. Furthermore, the possibility ALWAYS exists that extracts of a plant could be just fine for one person--and cause a fatal allergic reaction in another person.

Alarmist warnings aside, however....the only thing you can do is go for the best and purest extraction you can (which will include a recrystallization at the end--and perhaps even a SECOND one if you REALLY want to make sure. THEN start trying VERY small amounts (first time: 1mg or even less. Second and third times (after waiting an hour after the first time, to make sure everything is ok): not more than 5mg. Then you can try some higher doses: 10, 15, 20, 30.

That's about all you can do: Ultrapure extraction followed by tiny doses until you're sure you have ONLY the response you think you should have.

ANYTHING that anyone else tells you is PURE speculation on their part...unless you have a trusted friend who has used THAT species, from THAT area, etc.

Edit: And no, phenethylamine is not going to hurt you in concentrations that would be seen as a contaminant in a smoking dose of DMT (i.e., a dose even smaller than the DMT you're using).
 
A trace amount of Phenetylamine will not do you any harm. First of all, it is quickly metabolized by MAO-B. As DMT is metabolized by MAO-A and the Harmalas are MAO-A selective, using it as Ayahuasca will still make it possible to metabolize the Phenetylamine. Secondly, Phenetylamine is not toxic in reasonable amounts, even if it is not metabolized.

There have however been isolated some substituted phenetylamines from the Acacia species, most notably amphetamines and mescaline. Some of the amphetamines and other substituted phenetylamines are toxic in high enough doses. I can not see that they have been found in A. podalyriifolia.
 
Evening Glory said:
I can not see that they have been found in A. podalyriifolia.
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When you say "they" you mean amphetamines and mescaline? Very interesting info so far guys! Keep it comen! I would love to see what other people think!

What would you think of longer term use of DMT with trace amounts of Phenetylamine?

On a final note, I will probably do a recrystallization a number of times, to be sure its pure anyway.
 
Yes, by "they" I meant amphetamines and mescaline. That does not mean that A. podalyriifolia does not contain any substituted phenetylamines, it only means that none have been found so far. Even though if it does contain one or more substituted phenetylamines, it is likely to be in a very tiny trace amount.

I do not know of any studies looking into the long term effects of Phenetylamine. I do not think it will create any problem, given that Phenetylamine is found in trace amounts in Cacao. Phenetylamine is actually proposed as one of the reasons that chocolate/cacao make people happy (I think this is the work of Theobromine, but it is still a realistic theory). However, as you stated, smoking might be different than oral intake. MAO-B will likely not be able to metabolize the Phenetylamine quickly if it is taken in by the lungs, just as MAO-A can't metabolize DMT quickly if it is smoked. On a short term I am absolutely confident that this will not lead to any problems, but you always have the possibility that it might affect your health on a long term.
 
So far I feel this species will be fine for extraction for the short term. But while using this species, I will need to search of a location with many Acacia Obtusifolia. That or buy the seeds online. I think I will buy the Acacia Obtusifolia seeds. By the time they are mature enough, I can use them instead. 24 months counts as short term I am sure :) .

Again, good information! Thanks again, and keep em comen!
 
Drake
I have no experance with Acacia species but you should be ok. Do your extraction and re xtal until clean then dont load 80mg and smoke it. You can start as low as you want to be safe try a very small amount wait see how you feel. I am telling you to be overly catious because I have no exp with this species.

As S F said no one realy knows but you will be fine. Just as it is foolish to worry about death because there is nothing you can do. It is also in my opinion foolish to worry about things no body realy knows. Do your research then start low be careful work your way up same as lots of other things in life be sensible do your research and use your better judgement. I have never heard or read of any one having trouble with amphetime and mesc. in Acacia. That does not mean its impossible it means from the evidence we can see we have no reason to think this should be a proublem and if we think and use common sense we will be fine.

the bark should be broken up or powdered it should not matter if bark is wet it may be difficult to shread or powder. if dry you can do it with a hammer in some plastic bags or better coffie grinder makes easy powder of dry stuff.

M.V.
 
I've seen reports of Phenethylamine (PEA) being smoked on an MAO-B inhibitor (deprenyl) and effects seem to have been experienced there,though I understand it is quite addictive. You can take PEA orally with deprenyl (or other MAOIs) but I've only had brief, around 15 minutes, effects (buzzy, happy high no visuals) with 2g of the stuff with MAO-B inhibitor. If you're looking to explore PEA I'd suggest just buying some (USA health stores, including some on-line sell it) rather than trying to extract from Acacia. You should also look on drugs forum & brainmeta as they've got some info on it.
 
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