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Pics of my first syrian rue extraction

EmeraldAtomiser

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Done my first rue extraction and now fully understand the pain of filtering the solution. Will definitely be trying the non-grind method next time.
I only remembered to take a few pics I'm afraid.
I did two base/manske cycles, using lye for the first and sodium carbonate for the second. I added excess carbonate the second time and then washed the crystals until neutral.
Pic is of second manske.
Going to try a decent dose for my first harmala experience.
 

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Great results, well done! Harmala filtering can be such a pain that it's arguably worth just abandoning the extraction in the fridge for a few days and decanting away from most of the sediment afterwards. Ground seeds do seem to bring the additional joy of far more pectin and protein haze, but even extractions of whole seed can have a tendency to deposit fine, powdery "harmala crud" on standing for a while.

So, you seem to imply your material is the hydrochloride, if the last precipitation was a Manske? (Incidentally, I had to remove a picture as there was a rather clear thumb print visible. Maybe you can replace with one minus the thumb print since those were some nice crystals in the beaker!)
Going to try a decent dose for my first harmala experience.
What sort of figure are you putting on this? @Brennendes Wasser made a rather succinct report after taking 400 mg:
Bioassay:
400 mg Harmala Alkaloids were eaten. Just a quick test to verify whether they indeed also contribute to Nausea. Intense vomiting. Nausea for hours. Really strong effect, like a mixture of LSD / stoned. Walking not easy. All in all bad experience.
High doses of harmalas can get pretty challenging, you have to be wary of falling over since a kind of sensory buffering/delay occurs - maybe interesting when listening to sounds, but not so great if you walk into a door. Take it steady, start a bit lower and familiarise yourself with the (somatopsychic) space.
 
Great results, well done! Harmala filtering can be such a pain that it's arguably worth just abandoning the extraction in the fridge for a few days and decanting away from most of the sediment afterwards. Ground seeds do seem to bring the additional joy of far more pectin and protein haze, but even extractions of whole seed can have a tendency to deposit fine, powdery "harmala crud" on standing for a while.

So, you seem to imply your material is the hydrochloride, if the last precipitation was a Manske? (Incidentally, I had to remove a picture as there was a rather clear thumb print visible. Maybe you can replace with one minus the thumb print since those were some nice crystals in the beaker!)

What sort of figure are you putting on this? @Brennendes Wasser made a rather succinct report after taking 400 mg:

High doses of harmalas can get pretty challenging, you have to be wary of falling over since a kind of sensory buffering/delay occurs - maybe interesting when listening to sounds, but not so great if you walk into a door. Take it steady, start a bit lower and familiarise yourself with the (somatopsychic) space.
Thanks for all that. Missed the thumbprint! I've covered it over.
Sorry if I was unclear. No, I dissolved the second manske crystals in hot water and then added sodium carbonate in excess and washed until neutral.
I actually did just leave the solutions in the fridge, once I saw what a nightmare filtering was. It would seem a centrifuge would be handy! I have done an extraction from caapi vine and that was so much less hassle, I'll probably just stick to that. It also feels kind of 'right' to me to be extracting from caapi and not rue, when combining with DMT from MHRB.
Thanks for the heads up on the dosing. Maybe I'll try 80mg
 
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