Plausible average yield loss on re crystalization

[vitk!ktiv]

Good daay.

Title says it all.

If i were to show you a few pictures of a mescaline hcl pull before washing how much would the loss be (% of original yield) after washing. Lets say % loss on worst case scenario and % loss on average every day circumstances ?

Could an estimate on average losses be made?

Thanks for reading.

 

[pete666]

You mean re-x or washing?
Everything depends on the content of the extraction result. Every cactus is different and has different alkaloid profile. Mescaline content can be very variable in the result, so it is very difficult to say what will be the loss. The more non-mescaline alkaloids and other impurities are in the extraction result, the higher will be the loss.
Also important factor is ph of salting/titration. The lower ph is, the more impurities go to the result.
But from my experience, with proper salting/titration and average cactus, if the purification is done well (solvents anhydrous, mastered purification process), you can expect anything between 2%-25% loss for washing with average about 8% and 3%-15% loss for activated charcoal purification with average about 5% for most pach/per/bridge cacti.

 

[modern]

I've purposely used very low ph when salting and had a 'loss' of 66% removing non-mescaline alkaloids. So it can vary a lot like @pete666 mentioned.

 

[ChristianDE]

Can anyone help me with my Bolivian torch extraction please

 

[vitk!ktiv]

Thanks for the responses guys.

In your experience looking at the first hcl crystalization can a loss of 78% be realistic?

Cold anhydrous isopropyl alcohol was used.

I am just trying to figure out where i have gone wrong. 78% loss seems a bit excessive, doesn't it?

 

[modern]

Thanks for the responses guys.

In your experience looking at the first hcl crystalization can a loss of 78% be realistic?

Cold anhydrous isopropyl alcohol was used.

I am just trying to figure out where i have gone wrong. 78% loss seems a bit excessive, doesn't it?

How low was the ph of the hcl water you used? I always overshoot mine as well. What stays behind after the isopropanol is fairly pure mescaline hcl. Some people don't bother cleaning after words but there is a difference if you want exact dosing. 78% is quite high but if you dropped ph to 2-3 not unexpected. Peruvianus seem to cause this more than bridgesii for me I'm not sure if due to growing conditions or just genetics.

If you were to do tight cotton ball filtering with hot water before doing isopropanol cleanup it may have been slightly lower 'loss' since you would have removed more water insoluble impurities. Would still be a large 'loss' but if you want just the mescaline shouldn't matter.

If you are interested try the 'non-mescaline alkaloids' on their own. With harmalas and 100mg hcl non-mescaline I've had psychoactive experience of very strong and clean energy for 16h+ I'd guess that 300mg without maoi would be the dose. Not psychedelic atleast at the dose I've tried.

 

[pete666]

Thanks for the responses guys.

In your experience looking at the first hcl crystalization can a loss of 78% be realistic?

Cold anhydrous isopropyl alcohol was used.

I am just trying to figure out where i have gone wrong. 78% loss seems a bit excessive, doesn't it?

78% is not likely. Possible, but not very likely
How dry was the material befor wash? How do you dry it before you proceed with wash? How do you get anhydrous ipa? What was your air humidity when you washed the mesc? What is your process of washing?
What was target ph of salting?
What is your extraction method? Possible non-alkaloid salts in the result? What taste does the crude extract have?