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[Loveall]

Hello community. @Puzzleheaded and I are going to roll out a new version of the CIELO interactive checklist with @The Traveler and @blig-blug 's help .

There will now be a questionnaire and the option to screen capture your results.

You can give back by posting the screen shot with all the data here. Plan is to create a repository of images that can be easily fed to a database via AI. Dream is to identify and confirm correlations for yield other than clone genetics

As an example, here is a real extraction from @Puzzleheaded . The clone name is unkown so this data would only be used for bridges in general (for example), but it will still be useful. Partial answers are OK, the data can always be cut, but the more details the better. We will be adding lighting conditions (UV index if outdoors, or grow light power/wavelength), age of plant, and harvest season to the survey.

Is there anything else you would like to see added to the questionare?

 

[Quetzal7]

Maybe age of the plant ? (questionnable how to calculate this ; maybe age of the column used...? )

I have no proof or solid data, but i got the impression that if a plant is actively growing, it has less alkaloid than if it's dormant ( like for Acacias that need harvest at the end of a dry summer) . That's maybe why aging seems helpful (do we have a side to side to actually confirm this?). In my climate, harvesting before they wake up in the spring could be the most important parameter? to be researched...

 

[Loveall]

Maybe age of the plant ? (questionnable how to calculate this ; maybe age of the column used...? )

I have no proof or solid data, but i got the impression that if a plant is actively growing, it has less alkaloid than if it's dormant ( like for Acacias that need harvest at the end of a dry summer) . That's maybe why aging seems helpful (do we have a side to side to actually confirm this?). In my climate, harvesting before they wake up in the spring could be the most important parameter? to be researched...

So that would be a fall harvest? I have heard this before, that traditionally maximizes potency?

Notice that I mentioned we would add harvest season in the next iteration, along with age of cutting.

 

[DetritusTheEgo]

That will be an awesome addition. Given enough time and data could provide some useful insights. I'll keep this information in mind when I perform my next extract here the next few weeks.

Have you thought about adding a 'submit data' button to the calculator? Thinking similar to how bug reports work today. 'Your browser crashed.. Would you like to submit the bug report?' I wouldn't mind submitting data as long as personally identifiable information wasn't collected ( IP, region, timezone, browser, etc etc. Some of these seem not that important but the more you collect and compile the more identifying it becomes ). A little helper modal window / popup that shows the data being submitted would put people at ease.

I don't have exact confidence in the ages of all my cacti and sometimes stress duration. I could get better about cut age going forward though by putting the date it was cut via sharpie on the cacti along with the type / clone name.

 

[_Trip_]

Yh I reckon time of year harvested might help and average weather conditions/ temp for that month harvested.

 

[Loveall]

That will be an awesome addition. Given enough time and data could provide some useful insights. I'll keep this information in mind when I perform my next extract here the next few weeks.

Have you thought about adding a 'submit data' button to the calculator? Thinking similar to how bug reports work today. 'Your browser crashed.. Would you like to submit the bug report?' I wouldn't mind submitting data as long as personally identifiable information wasn't collected ( IP, region, timezone, browser, etc etc. Some of these seem not that important but the more you collect and compile the more identifying it becomes ). A little helper modal window / popup that shows the data being submitted would put people at ease.

I don't have exact confidence in the ages of all my cacti and sometimes stress duration. I could get better about cut age going forward though by putting the date it was cut via sharpie on the cacti along with the type / clone name.

Yes, we may have a submit data button. It may only be for full dmt-nexus members to protect the data though. There is an active reddit community extracting cacti and they would likely need to post screen shots.

 

[DetritusTheEgo]

See photo for data associated with recent extract. This is the contamination the mother had.

 

[Loveall]

See photo for data associated with recent extract. This is the contamination the mother had.

View attachment 110666

Thanks. When it was growing, was it in full sun?

 

[DetritusTheEgo]

Thanks. When it was growing, was it in full sun?

It was in full sun from sunrise to sunset ( which varies in number of hours through out the spring -> summer -> fall as days get longer and shorter ) but under a 40% shade cloth. Where I am if I do full sun like that without shade cloth my cacti turn yellow instead of green.

I'll have to try the save image from the calculator again this evening. Pretty sure I had done '12 - 15' in the hour input field but maybe it only wants a number, didn't catch that.

 

[Boerschig1]

Hello community. @Puzzleheaded and I are going to roll out a new version of the CIELO interactive checklist with @The Traveler and @blig-blug 's help .

There will now be a questionnaire and the option to screen capture your results.

You can give back by posting the screen shot with all the data here. Plan is to create a repository of images that can be easily fed to a database via AI. Dream is to identify and confirm correlations for yield other than clone genetics

As an example, here is a real extraction from @Puzzleheaded . The clone name is unkown so this data would only be used for bridges in general (for example), but it will still be useful. Partial answers are OK, the data can always be cut, but the more details the better. We will be adding lighting conditions (UV index if outdoors, or grow light power/wavelength), age of plant, and harvest season to the survey.

Is there anything else you would like to see added to the questionare?

 

[Boerschig1]

This was my first attempt and everything went amazingly with the exception of flipping the mixer switch instead of the stand lock switch on the right side causing dry product to fly everywhere I’m sure my final yield would have been more had that not happened. I also did an additional pull that was not salted and set aside that may have something in it.

 

[dstark93]

@Loveall Sounds great, thanks for updating the questionnaire.

So this thread would replace the old (not active) thread?

As for AI, there is no need to use AI, regular cv (computer vision) script can handle this task, given the fields stay the same. Im not familiar with this forum that much, is there an option for a bot like on reddit? so people can add a call to the end of their image/post and it would scan the image and store data to file?

 

[Loveall]

@Loveall Sounds great, thanks for updating the questionnaire.

So this thread would replace the old (not active) thread?

As for AI, there is no need to use AI, regular cv (computer vision) script can handle this task, given the fields stay the same. Im not familiar with this forum that much, is there an option for a bot like on reddit? so people can add a call to the end of their image/post and it would scan the image and store data to file?

I don't know about reddit bots /APIs.

This thread is only to post the images with the extraction results. Almost all are being posted on reddit though.

 

[Transform]

the old (not active) thread?

Which one are you referring to? It's helpful to include links in circumstances such as this.

 

[dstark93]

The one you replied with at the "Ethyl acetate approach" thread: The Average Cactus Mescaline Content Mega-Thread (post your yields!) - No reports since Dec 2024

 

[dstark93]

I don't know about reddit bots /APIs.

This thread is only to post the images with the extraction results. Almost all are being posted on reddit though.

So how one would curate the available data? Where the data should be saved?

As I see it now, to get cultivar % estimates, besides manually going over every image and typing the data in a separate file, a web scraping has to be employed where every thread, and reply within it is scanned for the CIELO summary image, only then the data extracted and saved.

With a very simple script using pytesseract library (Optical Character Recognition - OCR) on the CIELO summary image (first provided in this thread), we pretty much gain all the data, take a look ("fi" is the cactus image lol):

f CIELO Extraction Summary

152 g powder - 198 ml water - fumaric acid - 1x EA - 5 pulls

Pull Added Pulled Remaining Mremoved Min jar Efficiency
1 380 182 198 30.4% 69.6% 30.4%
2 220 191 227 30.0% 48.7% 51.3%
3 232 210 249 31.0% 33.6% 66.4%
4 234 219 264 31.2% 23.1% 76.9%
5 227 226 265 31.9% 15.7% 84.3%
6 228 216 277 30.4% 10.9% 89.1%
Total 1521 1244

Recovered EA 81.8%

Yield 2.23 g (1.47%)

Community Survey

Species: bridgesii Clone: N/A

Plant part: mother Cutting: Top and Middle
Stress (wks): 12 Stress light: In paper bag
Stress temp: Below room temp Parts used: Whole plant
Fertilizer: N/A Feedings/mo: N/A
Environment: N/A Soil mix: N/A

Insect dmg: none Mold dmg: none

Cold dmg: light Virus/Bact/Rot: none
Notes:

lost a lot of water during stressing

Generated with the CIELO interactive extraction guide

Parsing this into some file/database is very easy.

edit: ran the script on wrong image