please help! (first attempt)

[dome215]

hey all...SWIM is having a little problem with extracting some spice. this is SWIM's first attempt, so bear with SWIM. SWIM mixed in approx. 100g powdered MHRB with 500 ml H20 and about 4 table spoons powdered lye. This mixture was shaken heavily for about 10 min and left to sit for 5 hours. Almost instantly, the mixture turned to a hot, black sludge and returned to room temp after about a half hour.

After 5 hours, SWIM mixed in approx 250mg. of naptha and shook heavily for about 10 min. The mixture was left to sit overnight. SWIM was hoping to see some seperation this morning, however when SWIM woke up, there are no layers...just a jar of black sludge.

Where did SWIM go wrong in this process? SWIM has plenty of materials for another try, but SWIM would like to salvage this attempt, or at least learn from it. ANY help would be GREATLY appreciated. Thanks!!!

 

[dome215]

I'll add that i was following this TEK from this link: http://forums.mycotopia.net/dmt-spice/18449-short-quick-simple-spice-tek-using-quart-jars-2.html

"Required Items
Agents
- Any amount of MHRB (preferrably 100+g)
- Roebic Drain Cleaner (Basic Lye)
- VM&P Naptha (Non-Polar Solvent)
- Distilled Water
Tools
- Turkey Baster
- Stainless Steel Utensil
- Glass Pie Dish
- Quart Jars with Lids
Note: You will need one quart jar for each cup of MHRB powder (100g of MHRB is about 1 cup powder).

Step 1 Prepare Bark:
1) Break and twist up the MHRB by hand into as small pieces as possible,
no need to hurt your hands. Use plyers if the bark is tough.
2) Put a handful of the broken up MHRB into the blender to turn it to
powder.
3) Empty the powder from the blender into a bowl or large measuring cup
and repeat blending until all of the powder is ready.

Step 2 Mix Jars:
4) First, add two cups of distilled water to each empty quart jar.
Note: Put on goggles and rubber gloves for this part...
5) Add three tablespoons of Lye to each jar.
6) Stir the liquid gently with the stainless steel utensil.
7) Slowly and gently add 1 cup of MHRB powder to each jar.
Be careful not to splatter or spill.
8) Stir the powder gently until it is absorbed evenly and it turns black.
9) Add 150ml-300ml of Naptha , just leave enough room to shake contents.
10) Wipe the tops of the jars and put the lids on, then shake vigorously.

Let the jars sit overnight (8-12 hours should do probably), shake every now and then....

Step 4 Syphen Naptha
1) Syphen the Naptha off the top using the Turkey Baster and squirt it into the glass Pie Dish, being extremely careful to get only the clear Naptha and no black gunk (lye).
2) Add more Naptha to the jar and repeat this step a total of 3x.

Step 5 Evaporate Naptha
Put a fan next to, or a Dehydrator over the pie dish filled with Naptha . When it is dried out there will be white crystals everywhere. Continue to dry until no Naptha is smelled.

NOTE: By making the soaks only 12 hours long (maybe less, like 8?) and using thick layers of Naptha to obtain easy and pure pulls, the resulting crystals should be very clean and further processing unecessary. Also this tek is for low quantities so keep in mind additional washes could decrease the yield to unacceptable levels. My friend says 100g MHRB produced 20 mind blowing experiences without any harshness."

 

[Dee Em Tea]

I think you didn't use enough H2O. For 100 gram of powdered Mimosa you should atleast use 1.5 ltr of water. And for every gram of Mimosa my friend uses 1 gram of Ley. So I think you should add atleast 1 ltr. of water and you should scale 4 spoons of ley, and then fill it up to 100gram. Also you should'nt shake the solvent trough it, this creates for sure an emulsion. Just agitate the solvent through the base, and it'll be fine.
Look up Nomans tek. :idea: Nomans tek.

 

[dome215]

ok...so SWIM will add more water.

just to clarify...1 gram lye for 1 gram MHRB?

what's the best way to add and agitate the solvent? SWIM's mixtures are in a jar and SWIM doesn't have any type of separation funnel. SWIM was just planning on using a turkey baster...

so this mixture is (possibly) able to be saved? re adding lye and water isn't going to mess things up? will i have to add more naptha after?

again, thanks for the patience and help.

 

[Dee Em Tea]

ok...so SWIM will add more water.
just to clarify...1 gram lye for 1 gram MHRB?

Thats the way to go:wink:

The best way to agitate it is just to sway your container just gently up and down, so the solvent just comes in contact with your base. And your mixture can deffently be saved. My geuss is if you add more water and ley the emulsion will resolve it self, but if it doesn't just hold the container in a warm water bath for a view ours, an it should seperate.

 

[Big Inhale]

Rolling it is a good way to mix the solutions

 

[dome215]

ok...everything has been transerred to a larger gallon jar. i've added the reccomended amounts of H20 and lye.

i'm seeing a *little* seperation, but nothing really that noticable yet. there has already been about 250 ml of naptha added to the mixture in the previous jar. should i add more solvent or will this gunk continue to seperate further? if an emulsion has been formed (i really shook the shit out of the jar in the beginning) is my mixture dunzo?

thanks, thanks, and thanks!

 

[The Dream Walker]

The emulsion should work itself out after a little while, and if it doesn't let the jar sit in a warm water bath. The separation really shouldn't take all that long, could you take a picture? It might be easier to diagnose the problem if we can see it...

 

[Feiticeiro]

SWIM is confused, it was understood that an acid solution is needed to disolve the spice from bark, THEN basify the solution to push the spice into the solvent. can someone please clarify, as the steps mentioned above has the bark emerged in basified solution already!

 

[dome215]

thanks for the help all!!! after transferring my original sludge to a bigger ja (gallon)r, tweaking the lye/water ratios as recommended, and adding more solvent, SWIM was able to produce some nice spice.

instead of following normans tek all the way though, SWIM chose to evaporate the solvent instead of using the freezer method. it was a fairly quick process that produced some marginal yields (sorry...no scale). anyone have any comparison for yield outputs when comparing evaporating vs. freezing?

again, thanks for all the help! great forum!!!!!!!!!!

 

[dome215]

SWIM is confused, it was understood that an acid solution is needed to disolve the spice from bark, THEN basify the solution to push the spice into the solvent. can someone please clarify, as the steps mentioned above has the bark emerged in basified solution already!

feiticeiro, SWIM went straight to the base and had no problems once SWIM got his ratios figured out. SWIM's not sure what this means in terms of yields, but he'll post some pics tomorrow and let you judge.

 

[Big Inhale]

I think evap and freeze precip produce the same results it all depends how much spice is in the naptha

 

[dome215]

ok...so SWIM got 2 pulls and evaporated the naptha. there's a decent amount of crystalization, but it's a golden/yellow color.

SWIM tried smoking just a *tiny* bit and it was EXTREMELY harsh. SWIM's throat was pretty sore for about 10 minutes after (but i did get some nice visuals for such a small amount :lol

how can SWIM clean this up? it's pretty much unsmokable right now. SOOOOOOOOOOOOOO CLOSE!!!!!!!!!!!!!

 

[Noman]

It always gets all yellow like that when its left in the lye for a long time.
Nice crystals though - you didnt get gooed.
Just recrystalize and you'll be fine.
It'll always be harsh though.

 

[dome215]

It always gets all yellow like that when its left in the lye for a long time.
Nice crystals though - you didnt get gooed.
Just recrystalize and you'll be fine.
It'll always be harsh though.

yeah, there was a little bit of oily substance, but the majority of it was nice fluffy crystals.

so when i'm doing the recrystilzaion, what's the best way to filter out the DMT after heating and adding the solvent? coffee filter? i'm guessing i'll have to wait a little longer for all the solvent to evaporate again, right?

 

[EZ4U2Shoot]

It'll always be harsh though.

Maybe I have those legendary "leather lungs" Terence was talking about, but I don't find the Spice at all harsh. Now, 2 month stale extra dry old Bugler tobacco cigarettes, that is harsh.

 

[El Ka Bong]

Did it get all mixed up, or is it normal to get only yellow-spice from stb teks...? The 'shards' look nicely formed !

But Honestly now, someone please answer this simple observation that I pose over and over again as a question - if you get "dirty", "always harsh" dmt from any kind of STB-Lye-Stew tek, that has to be washed, and/or recrystalized, then why choose to use this kind of tek ???!

Please folks - no flaming ! But I would like to hear honest answers - why use an STB if this is the result !? I am asking with all the 'facts' in place - pictures, words and descriptions from your own selves, I need not add more...

Never has swim's acid-base procedures yeilded anything but ready-to-go, clean white dmt, that smokes like invisible velvet. She uses a pH of 2.0 filters well and basifys to 11.5 - very simple to do with no loss of yeild to washing etc...

I have only encountered "harsh" spice when it happens to be yellow - as it burns differently and contains other fats and alkaloids. It is barely harsh- just noticeable on the throat. Swim has never made a batch that's all yellow..?

This yellow spice I know from swim is < 20% of her yeild, it pools out on it's own and is not lye-contaminated... Dmt is hardly ever "harsh" if pure - it just tastes weird and should not injure your lungs when vapourized properly (ie not incinerated).