PM/EM Turbo Generator

[Cheeto]

Neodymium magnet

"They have replaced marginally weaker and significantly more heat-resistant samarium-cobalt magnets in most applications, due mainly to their lower cost.

Used for stabilization and angular head motors in computer hard drives, neodymium magnets are also popular with hobbyists, and a small magnet can have amazing properties — it exhibits magnetic braking when moved near a non-magnetic metal due to induced eddy currents. An excellent demonstration for students to see the effects of Lenz's Law in non-ferrous metals may be performed by dropping a strong neodymium magnet through a copper pipe. The magnet will travel through the pipe remarkably slowly as it falls. The effect may be greatly enhanced by immersing the pipe in liquid nitrogen (thus increasing its conductivity even further) prior to dropping the magnet through." Wiki - "Neodymium magnet"

Well thats getting closer to answering one question of mine. Someone help me out here. When you drop the magnet through the copper pipe why does it get friction, is it due to a weak magnetic attraction to the copper? I read len's law and had a hard time understanding it, mainly because lots of thwe answers where math equations i don't understand.

"it exhibits magnetic braking when moved near a non-magnetic metal due to induced eddy currents"

Is it saying that the magnet actualy gets friction from just generating electricity even with a non-magnetic metal? If so then that would mean the the generator having zero friction bearings would be pointles unless cheaper, because the friction from actually generating the electricity may be higher than the normal bearings generators use, liquid bearings being good enough because there friction is lower than induced eddy currents??

 

[Cheeto]

Eddy Current - Wiki

"An eddy current (also known as Foucault current) is an electrical phenomenon discovered by French physicist Léon Foucault in 1851. It is caused when a conductor is exposed to a changing magnetic field due to relative motion of the field source and conductor; or due to variations of the field with time. This can cause a circulating flow of electrons, or a current, within the conductor. These circulating eddies of current create electromagnets with magnetic fields that opposes the change of the magnetic field (see Lenz's law). The stronger the applied magnetic field, or the greater the electrical conductivity of the conductor, or the faster the field that the conductor is exposed to changes, then the greater the currents that are developed and the greater the opposing field."

Is it saying that what causes the friction is the conductor turning into an electromagnet when the current jumps in and causes attraction which causes friction?

What if you Had another magnet stuck to the back of the conductor to repel the central magnet to fight back and cancel that friction out?


In other words...the say you thought it out and line it up where you can get a central magnet to spin, not with magnetic bearings at the ends, but a huge outer magnet holding the inside magnet in place with zero friction also used to cancel out the friction caused by eddys current.

 

[Saidin]

New Energy Movement

www.newenergymovement.org

They have projects and prototypes ready for funding.

And Energy is all about power, figuratively and literally. If there was something that would errode the control of the powers that be, don't you think they'd do everything they could from it becoming a reality? I certainly think so. Free Energy destroys the competitive, scarcity paradigm that has been operating for thousands of years. Many would do anything to keep that change from happening.

 

[The Traveler]

Nope.

The correct flow is this: Fuel->Combustion => Rotation (of magnet) => Electricity

ahh, ahh..... don't forget... : Electricity --> Magnet --> Fuel->Combustion => Rotation (of magnet) => Electricity

Actually, with a generator that uses electromagnets the line is more like this:

     ENGINE                             GENERATOR                      UTILIZATION
------------------    -------------------------------------------   ------------------
Fuel -> Combustion => Rotation of electromagnets -> electricity -=> DMT-Nexus server ;)
                                          ^                     |
                                          |_____________________|
                                           power up electromagnet

You are correct though that you need an external power source (e.g. battery) to start this generator since the electromagnets need to be active to produce electricity. Once the generator is started and produces it's own electricity no external energy source is needed anymore.

 

[Cheeto]

So your saying there is a generator that makes free electricity? All it needs it to be started and it feeds itself as it generates?

 

[The Traveler]

So your saying there is a generator that makes free electricity? All it needs it to be started and it feeds itself as it generates?

Look at the beginning of the chain: it states FUEL. Fuel contains chemical energy, an engine together with a generator converts that chemical energy into electrical energy.

So to chain that up:

1. Fuel (contains chemical energy)
2. An engine converts fuel (chemical energy) into motion (mechanical energy)
3. A generator converts motion (mechanical energy) into electricity (electrical energy)

Fuel contains..    Engine produces..    Generator produces..
---------------    -----------------    --------------------
Chemical energy -> mechanical energy -> electrical energy

A generator that uses electromagnets use a part of the electrical energy that it produce to power the electromagnets. In the mean time it's the fuel that provides the energy to keep it all going. In this process fuel is consumed to produce electricity.

 

[Cheeto]

Yes, i saw the fuel part and thought about it latter. That is crazy though, that you can crate a magnet with power while also using the magnet to extract power. How efficent are these types of generators??


Also, do you think its possible to defeat eddy currents by magnetics? From what i understood, the friction dosent come from the act of electricity jumping to the coil, but the electricitry flowing though the coil creating an electromagnet which the causes magnetic attraction which is the source of the friction. What i'm thinking is if you can fight back with magnetics, with a magnet behind the coil to push back to over ride the pull the coil makes while current runs threw.

----N/S-----------S/N-------------N/S----
(Magnet|Coil) Magnet (Coil|Magnet)

 

[Cheeto]

Alos i think the heat generators are pretty cool. I can't wait to find out how you actually convert just heat into electricity.

The more i learn i see that there may not be any free energy out there. I hate to say that, still dosen't make its impossible, but it does seem most of the claims are nothing but claims. Which could be good in the way that maybe the world isn't completly fucked, because if we had free power we would use it, i'm hoping. I'm starting to see that.


Its like this, if someone knows how to make free power they would not need to depend on government help or pay offs, free power machines sell themselves, i know if i built one i could get it out, then it would blow up and everyone would know about it, because if it where real people would see how its scientificly possible and wouldn't doubt it. But all these free energy machines people come up with don't do that, and it would have to be because they don't scientificly work, or other smarter people would be interested. I don't think i can label people as that much of a dick, as to actually take a pay off from the government, ussaly people do free(Or better) energy research to help. My interest will not die though, i would like to do what i can do to add ideas to the board.

I see now how some can get bugged when disscussing these devices, i also know now to ask questions and learn why devices don't work rather than defend the possibility without the educatation.

 

[polytrip]

There's this irish company 'steorn'. They get rich by selling people technology for perpetual motion. They have all kinds of video adds in wich they promote their technology. Ofcourse we never see the actual technology working in those adds, it's only talking heads and claims that these people talking are serious scientists.
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