Possible NMT lowering potency?

[lugh]

Hello!

So a while ago, maybe 8-9 years ago I did my first acid/base extractions using Acacia. They seemingly went well, I was left with a good yield of white, very fluffy crystals (via freeze precipitation, no evaporation). They had the nice flowery indole smell and didn't seem to leave leftovers when vaporizing them. I would smoke it using machine style pipe (pleasant to smoke, no harshness) and would get a very lovely floaty body buzz, lovely fractals/vibrant colors - like a mushroom + LSD hybrid - I never had a break through but I maybe came close.
I believe my technique was good but I would not get the type of effects at the typical dosages, I was using 50mg or so at least.
I chalked it up to the crystals being fluffy and that it possibly made them tricky to vaporize all of it quickly, like it was soaking into the mesh. Which is possible. It seemed like nice, clean product that definitely worked but just seemed to be like a lower potency by weight than what should have been expected? It seemed, diluted - like a difference of 10mg wouldn't change the effects all that much when it should have.

That was my experience with it - but I gave a half gram vial to a friend who had experience with DMT, who said it smelled/tasted right but they didn't get the effects I did, if they got any at all. So I seriously doubt they were using a good technique, but that makes me think that the spice they were used to must have been more user friendly if they managed to make it work?
A couple of my friends, using my spice with me had about the same experiences as I would get, sub breakthrough but nice trips.

If I remember correctly, I did a couple extractions with one batch of Acacia and another with a different batch - all extractions gave me good yields and basically the same result, fluffy white (sometimes slightly off-white/yellow tint, but usually quite white) crystal.

Now recently I did my first extraction using MHRB - this was just an STB extraction, it went well , I was left with a couple grams. It's not as white as the Acacia spice, it has a yellow tint to it but slight. Has the nice DMT smell.
I haven't had a chance to try it for a comparison yet but I am definitely going to start low and really measure my dose well.

Sorry for the long post. Curious to see what you folks think. Recently I read that DMT extracted from Acacia can have quite a bit of NMT in it and this is what made me post this, could it be possible that product I was getting before was diluted by NMT?


Thank you!

 

[Transform]

Hello!

So a while ago, maybe 8-9 years ago I did my first acid/base extractions using Acacia. They seemingly went well, I was left with a good yield of white, very fluffy crystals (via freeze precipitation, no evaporation). They had the nice flowery indole smell and didn't seem to leave leftovers when vaporizing them. I would smoke it using machine style pipe (pleasant to smoke, no harshness) and would get a very lovely floaty body buzz, lovely fractals/vibrant colors - like a mushroom + LSD hybrid - I never had a break through but I maybe came close.
I believe my technique was good but I would not get the type of effects at the typical dosages, I was using 50mg or so at least.
I chalked it up to the crystals being fluffy and that it possibly made them tricky to vaporize all of it quickly, like it was soaking into the mesh. Which is possible. It seemed like nice, clean product that definitely worked but just seemed to be like a lower potency by weight than what should have been expected? It seemed, diluted - like a difference of 10mg wouldn't change the effects all that much when it should have.

That was my experience with it - but I gave a half gram vial to a friend who had experience with DMT, who said it smelled/tasted right but they didn't get the effects I did, if they got any at all. So I seriously doubt they were using a good technique, but that makes me think that the spice they were used to must have been more user friendly if they managed to make it work?
A couple of my friends, using my spice with me had about the same experiences as I would get, sub breakthrough but nice trips.

If I remember correctly, I did a couple extractions with one batch of Acacia and another with a different batch - all extractions gave me good yields and basically the same result, fluffy white (sometimes slightly off-white/yellow tint, but usually quite white) crystal.

Now recently I did my first extraction using MHRB - this was just an STB extraction, it went well , I was left with a couple grams. It's not as white as the Acacia spice, it has a yellow tint to it but slight. Has the nice DMT smell.
I haven't had a chance to try it for a comparison yet but I am definitely going to start low and really measure my dose well.

Sorry for the long post. Curious to see what you folks think. Recently I read that DMT extracted from Acacia can have quite a bit of NMT in it and this is what made me post this, could it be possible that product I was getting before was diluted by NMT?


Thank you!

Greetings, welcome!

Your inference appears to be correct. NMT simply doesn't have the overwhelming visual effects that DMT can have, and its presence will both dilute the DMT and occupy receptor sites in such a way that the apparent effective potency is also reduced - it "gets in the way", so to speak. This isn't to say that some people don't appreciate the somatosensory effects of NMT; there are those who would say the substance has its own merits.

Alas, I cannot add any personal experience on this front, but these are some of the observations on NMT I've seen reported here over the course of the years, plus a general understanding of receptor site action.

 

[lugh]

Greetings, welcome!

Your inference appears to be correct. NMT simply doesn't have the overwhelming visual effects that DMT can have, and its presence will both dilute the DMT and occupy receptor sites in such a way that the apparent effective potency is also reduced - it "gets in the way", so to speak. This isn't to say that some people don't appreciate the somatosensory effects of NMT; there are those who would say the substance has its own merits.

Alas, I cannot add any personal experience on this front, but these are some of the observations on NMT I've seen reported here over the course of the years, plus a general understanding of receptor site action.

Thank you for the welcome!
And the reply.

Aha! This makes sense now. It's been quite the mystery all this time.
Is it correct that this is more common with Acacia than Mimosa?

I have only ever used my own DMT before. Now I am a bit nervous to try my new extraction from the MHRB, I feel like perhaps my previous product was a nice easy introduction but more like "DMT Light" haha.
What I had before had a really lovely calming/floaty effect along with the fractals and usual psychedelic effects - does that sound usual for a typical low dose DMT experience? I guess I'm a little worried it will feel different and freak me out.

 

[Transform]

Is it correct that this is more common with Acacia than Mimosa?

Most assuredly - the NMT content of Mimosa hostilis is consistently minimal. Its main trace alkaloid appears to be 2-methyltetrahydro-β-carboline (2-MTHβC), in the tests that have been done. The subjective effects, if there would even be any at a content of 1%, are broadly unknown. A single report suggests that higher concentrations of 2-MTHβC could have been behind a more challenging experience, but again, with n=1 and the absence of controls or confirmation (let alone analysis of the material concerned) this is firmly in the realms of speculation.

DMT itself always presents the possibility of challenging experiences, whether with appreciable 2-MTHβC levels or not. Managing that apprehension is part of the deal for pretty much every experienced DMT user, at the very least when it comes to using straight DMT via some method of inhalation.

Chances are you'll be fine and experience bafflement or transcendent beauty over sheer terror, so you would be doing yourself a favour be keeping your previous, gentle acacia journeys in mind - while still being prepared to learn the true meaning of humility, perhaps.

Careful attention to dose size may also assist in optimising outcomes since the probability of terror is largely proportional to the amount of molecule hitting those receptors.