Experiment #2 also done now. But this is now much cooler than the theoretical talks with no experiments, so it is pasted at first position into the first post. So click back to Page 1 to see the full text.
In short:
Radically induced Polymerization seems to produce the SAME reaction pattern regarding positions of DMT to Polymerize and the SAME reaction ratio of non-reacted to reacted bonds.
That makes me think if there is
A) a saturation of reactivity where no more positions are likely to react per molecule (probably disfavored by steric hindrance)
B) a saturation of coupled C-C bonds after which the polymerization degree does not rise any further (probably disfavored by entropy)
N-Oxide formation in both cases was also pretty similar ~ 2,5 %. If these are built into the Polymer or just stick around inbetween we won't know, as we also cant extract them as monomeric molecules with Hexane. As reaction conditions were quite different regarding initiation/catalyzing system and time, this makes chances kind of high that the proposed Polymer structure from Experiment 1 is the one that was mostly retrieved in both cases.
At the end there is also a picture shown which is mapping the reactivity of DMT across the molecule regarding the results of this experiment, at least for Polymerization purposes. Now also posting here:
In conjugated systems you often share a reactivity across 1,3-positions or 1,5-positions and so on. In this case it is different for the 6-Ring as you can see. Reason is: if you draw the Mesomery that can be induced from the indolic N then if you delocalize the N-electron towards left position you will end up with a negative charge at position #8. If you delocalize the N-electron towards the upper position you will end up with a negative charge at position #11. This former rule seems the be overcome by the fact that the ring of the N is only 5-membered, so in total in DMT position #8 and #11 show the same reactivity pattern, even if the are conjugated in a 1,4-(para)-positioning.
So to conclude, the conditions which created those polymers are not exactly what we expect in an extraction or when vaporizing Spice. But I think it is still rather likely that reactivity patterns which are observed here should also give hints how the DMT molecule would behave in similar conditions and therefore would possibly create Polymers pretty similar or not too different from what I have drawn here.
Here as a summary of everything the proposed "average DMT-Polymer structure" that was retrieved from those experiments:
This structure is only valid if we assume that 1 DMT binds 2 new molecules. Also 3 (or with Position 9 / 10 even more) would be possible, but probably chance for creating these decreases dramatically. Therefore based on these experiments I may carefully assume that DMT Polymerization stops at the shown Hexamer with only minor chances of elongating the Polymer chain at the outermost positions #9 / #10.
As usual with Polymerization, there might be any kind of other isomers / wild combinations possible. But as any reaction will have a certain prefered pathway through minimizing energy barriers and thermodynamically most stable products, there should be at least a set of preferred patterns of Oligomers.
In short:
Radically induced Polymerization seems to produce the SAME reaction pattern regarding positions of DMT to Polymerize and the SAME reaction ratio of non-reacted to reacted bonds.
That makes me think if there is
A) a saturation of reactivity where no more positions are likely to react per molecule (probably disfavored by steric hindrance)
B) a saturation of coupled C-C bonds after which the polymerization degree does not rise any further (probably disfavored by entropy)
N-Oxide formation in both cases was also pretty similar ~ 2,5 %. If these are built into the Polymer or just stick around inbetween we won't know, as we also cant extract them as monomeric molecules with Hexane. As reaction conditions were quite different regarding initiation/catalyzing system and time, this makes chances kind of high that the proposed Polymer structure from Experiment 1 is the one that was mostly retrieved in both cases.
At the end there is also a picture shown which is mapping the reactivity of DMT across the molecule regarding the results of this experiment, at least for Polymerization purposes. Now also posting here:
![Reactivity_Pattern.png](/proxy.php?image=https%3A%2F%2Fwiki.dmt-nexus.me%2Fw%2Fimages%2F8%2F83%2FReactivity_Pattern.png&hash=d919ab1d74c54a6df51a66e1cf075dd8)
In conjugated systems you often share a reactivity across 1,3-positions or 1,5-positions and so on. In this case it is different for the 6-Ring as you can see. Reason is: if you draw the Mesomery that can be induced from the indolic N then if you delocalize the N-electron towards left position you will end up with a negative charge at position #8. If you delocalize the N-electron towards the upper position you will end up with a negative charge at position #11. This former rule seems the be overcome by the fact that the ring of the N is only 5-membered, so in total in DMT position #8 and #11 show the same reactivity pattern, even if the are conjugated in a 1,4-(para)-positioning.
So to conclude, the conditions which created those polymers are not exactly what we expect in an extraction or when vaporizing Spice. But I think it is still rather likely that reactivity patterns which are observed here should also give hints how the DMT molecule would behave in similar conditions and therefore would possibly create Polymers pretty similar or not too different from what I have drawn here.
Here as a summary of everything the proposed "average DMT-Polymer structure" that was retrieved from those experiments:
![Polymer_Pattern_Final.png](/proxy.php?image=https%3A%2F%2Fwiki.dmt-nexus.me%2Fw%2Fimages%2F7%2F73%2FPolymer_Pattern_Final.png&hash=f9c4edd24162451040ef0868afe30639)
This structure is only valid if we assume that 1 DMT binds 2 new molecules. Also 3 (or with Position 9 / 10 even more) would be possible, but probably chance for creating these decreases dramatically. Therefore based on these experiments I may carefully assume that DMT Polymerization stops at the shown Hexamer with only minor chances of elongating the Polymer chain at the outermost positions #9 / #10.
As usual with Polymerization, there might be any kind of other isomers / wild combinations possible. But as any reaction will have a certain prefered pathway through minimizing energy barriers and thermodynamically most stable products, there should be at least a set of preferred patterns of Oligomers.