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lorax

lorax

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please post only experiences with jungle spice seperated from the N,N-DMT.

this way we might find out more about that mysterious alkaloid contained in mimosa hostilis.
 
cheech said:
please post only experiences with jungle spice seperated from the N,N-DMT.

this way we might find out more about that mysterious alkaloid contained in mimosa hostilis.
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Man, swim just spent a week trying everything possible to get it out of Chaliponga because swim was told by a very trustable source (and many google searches) that Chali is full of 5meo and other extra alkaloids and would extract reddish. But it didn't work out. He will try the documented 4th pull with xylene next.
 
Man, swim just spent a week trying everything possible to get it out of Chaliponga because swim was told by a very trustable source (and many google searches) that Chali is full of 5/meo and other extra alkaloids and would extract reddish.
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This is still not a proven fact, and chali varies dramatically in alkaloid content. All published tests taken (not saying they are accurate) say there is very little, if any, 5-meo-dmt in chali.
 
SWIM says,
I've got lots of experience with Chaliponga, and it does vary a lot in alkaloid content, but the ratio of DMT (and DMT N-Oxide) to 5-MeO-DMT (and 5-MeO-DMT N-Oxide) is usually 2:1 of DMT to 5-MeO-DMT. It occasionally varies dramatically in ratio, but 2:1 is pretty consistent. Sometimes it's very high in N-oxides or contains only N-oxides. Leafy material is often like that. What does this mean to you? Well, in order to get all the alkaloids you must either convert the N-Oxides to their parent alkaloids or you'll need to extract with DCM, chloroform, or ether. DCM is best for extracting these N-oxides. You can't extract them with naphtha, and probably something like xylene will also not work so well. I always use DCM and I get fantastic yields, sometimes more than what’s reported in the literature, especially for 5-MeO-DMT. If you're not doing an N-Oxide reduction step, or you're not using DCM, then you're going to get very poor yields in a typical A/B extraction on this plant. The N-Oxides are sometimes the major alkaloids with leafy materials. I’ve seen this with both Chaliponga and Chacruna. Bark is less likely to be high in N-Oxides so with bark people can get away with using a vastly inferior solvent like naphtha. But even then, far better yields are always had by using DCM.

In my last extraction from 100 grams of Chaliponga, I got 587 mg of DMT and 294 mg of 5-MeO-DMT. That’s a total of 881 mg, or a yield of 0.88% with almost exactly 33% of that being 5-MeO-DMT (and it’s N-Oxide). The test used by my friend cannot tell the different between 5-MeO-DMT and it’s N-Oxide, so they are both read as 5-MeO-DMT.

In that extraction, I used citric acid and 91% IPA solution in a Soxhlet for 10 hours, that was then concentrated down and diluted with water and defatted with DCM, and then freebased with sodium carbonate at pH 9.5, and then extracted with DCM. And then for purity it was re-extracted into pH 3.5 water, and then freebased again with sodium carbonate at pH 9.5, and then extracted again with DCM.

By the way, the impure extract was never reddish at all. It's slightly greenish from all the chlorophyll. This plant has TONS OF CHLOROPHYLL!
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So, this plant is indeed very high in 5-MeO-DMT. That stuff about a reddish extract doesn't seen to be true, at least that's how SWIM sees it. But then, SWIM uses DCM, so that will make a difference. SWIM's result is usually yellowish after purifying. The yellow color is from the N-Oxides.

So, this plant is indeed very high in 5-MeO-DMT. That stuff about a reddish extract doesn't seen to be true, at least that's how SWIM sees it. But then, SWIM uses DCM, so that will make a difference. SWIM's result is usually yellowish after purifying. The yellow color is from the N-Oxides.

This plant also contains tetrahydroharman (that is NOT THH, that’s tetrahydrohamine, which is a different alkaloid) and that MAOI is likely to cause the “Jungle Spice” effect found often in this plant.
 
burnt said:
its would be rather difficult to separate all the n,n-DMT out of this extract its the major alkaloid component. unless there is some real evidence that all the dmt is out one will be smoking mixtures
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But if taken sublingually or snuffed, you only feel the 5-MeO-DMT because its many times stronger than DMT by those routes. SWIM knows, he's uses it sublingually all the time without bothering to separate the 5-MeO-DMT from the DMT. With that route the effects are almost entirely from 5-MeO-DMT. However, sometimes it’s a little weird, almost salvia like, and this is probably from the tetrahydroharman present in the plant.

SWIM knows DMT and 5-MeO-DMT very well and will not make any mistake detecting the effect of each or a mix of them. The sometimes unusual effects are from something else in the plant. SWIM doesn't know the effects of tetrahydroharman, because he's never tried it stand alone.
 
I'm working on extracting the jungle spice right now, but i don't intend to separate it from the DMT. So i will post my experience with the stuff here, when i've tried it.
 
i read somewhere that one should leave the jungle spice to dry out for a while. in the beginning the effects are supposed to greatly vary from the product which has been drying for more than 3 weeks.
 
But if taken sublingually or snuffed, you only feel the 5-MeO-DMT because its many times stronger than DMT by those routes. SWIM knows, he's uses it sublingually all the time without bothering to separate the 5-MeO-DMT from the DMT. With that route the effects are almost entirely from 5-MeO-DMT. However, sometimes it’s a little weird, almost salvia like, and this is probably from the tetrahydroharman present in the plant.

SWIM knows DMT and 5-MeO-DMT very well and will not make any mistake detecting the effect of each or a mix of them. The sometimes unusual effects are from something else in the plant. SWIM doesn't know the effects of tetrahydroharman, because he's never tried it stand alone.
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yes i meant with the mimosa extracts though which don't contain 5-meo.

i read somewhere that one should leave the jungle spice to dry out for a while. in the beginning the effects are supposed to greatly vary from the product which has been drying for more than 3 weeks.
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any idea where you read this. would be interesting to see how the composition of the extract changes with time.
 
somewhere in that jungle spice extraction thread.. there are also pictures of jungle spice pulled with xylene vs. pulls with toluene. somewhere below those pictures was the statement. SWIM has been keeping his jungle spice on a petri dish and has put the dish inside a airtight vacuum plastic container with some bags of desiccant. SWIM has remelted his jungle spice 2 times and let it cool off in a corner of the petri dish so it will form a solid piece. The pice gets drier every day. Its still a little oily to the touch but it gets more solid every day. A lot of people complain that their jungle spice is just oil.. they must be doing something wrong. The oil takes alot of time to crystallize.. but SWIMs Jspice always results in some kind of oily crystal formation which can be easily pressed into one piece. SWIM prefers remelting it because that way he doesn't loose any precious oil to his hands.
 
.. but SWIMs Jspice always results in some kind of oily crystal formation
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a friend of a friends material had the same composition. i think the reason some people might have trouble making some kind of solid crystally mass is due to residual solvent. removing toluene and xylene is difficult. SWIMs friend redissolves the mixture in pure ethanol and reevaporates and gets nice material. basically oil covered crystals.
 
yea..(SWIM has no time for journeys at the moment)

SWIM remelts his Jungle Spice a few times before finally using it. It seems to get a little drier after each remelt. SWIM also guesses that there are still traces of Xylene/Toluene in the Jungle Spice. Thats why SWIM even places his triple remelted Jungle Spice in a container packed with desiccant. Just to make sure that everything has been dried completely.

SWIM has read evil reports from someone vaporizing not yet dry Jungle Spice.
 
I would say my jungle spice extraction attempt has failed. I thought i've read somewhere that hot naphta would work in extracting the stuff. But i think what i got is mostly DMT n-oxide. Yellow wax, less potent then freebase DMT. Maybe my rootbark was too old.
 
SWIM has tried some jungle spice..and let SWIM tell you...its sweet..put this little tiny chunk into SWIM's VAPORGENIE and toked...what happened next was so cool...SWIM could try to explain it but it would take a long time..maybe SWIM will though..so you all know

well anyway...it was super visual...very strong...used so small of an amount...and at the end..it didnt matter whether SWIM's eyes were open or closed...sHe could see through his eyelids...very very cool...everything was folding onto itself...SWIM saw the planet disintegrate...or collapse..from this beam of energy from outer space...and then the next thing SWIM knows is sHe is on the planet as it happens..and experiences it first hand...very interesting...
 
did you use DMT-deprived Jspice or did you just pull the whole mix and smoke that? please also include consistency, color, the solvent used to pull it.. stuff like that would be interesting as well!

cheers!
 
SWIM said it was brownish...it was waxy...smelled of flowers...lately swim has noticed that most of her spice smells like flowers...not sure how that happened...it doesnt smell like that when Vaped:p

used bestine rubber cement remover...heptane formula..that you can get at art supply stores....best solvent SWIM has used...

the Jspice was the left over from purification of a kilo extraction...
 
Acetone on an evap dish. Takes a little while, but it can get quite dry this way.

SWIM has noticed that as he gets accustomed to the smell, it smells more like flowers and less like plastic death. This does vary from person to person.


Jungle-huasca (fumarate with rue extract) experiences seem to vary greatly, so SWIM attributes this to jungle-spice/pure-spice ratios. To elaborate, the presence of pure DMT within this preparation (which can vary if exhaustive pure-spice extractions from the jungle-spice are not performed) makes all the difference, indicating the possibility of jungle-spice's MAOI-like properties. SWIM has noticed this same trend in MHRB huasca brews.

However, SWIM's experiences with smoking jungle-spice freebase (again, without exhaustive DMT extraction) tend to be a little darker and come on a little slower. Swim has heard that adequately purified jungle-spice, smoked, wields little psychedelic effects on it's own but potentiates pure spice in ways similar to SWIM's unpurified jungle-spice.

SWIM has noticed a slight correlation between jungle-spice experiences and smoked pure-spice with extracted rue, but has occasionally experienced this same phenomenon with straight slightly yellow spice. SWIM finds the difference in smoking pure-spice and smoking maoi or jungle-spice potentiated spice is the luminescent alien quality vs. the dark primitive and savage, still somewhat alien, quality.
 
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