Powder vs Tea vs Resin vs Acetate vs Hcl

[Virola78]

Got all the chems i need. And also got the SP cactus cuttings: 10x 25-30cm from the plaza.
Some cuttings look different in color, from freshgreen to blueish. Also shape was different, ribs, grooves etc.
Clearly taken from different motherplants. As expected of course.

Virola, unless you made the dried cactus from the same fresh cactus species that you are gonna extract, then you cant really compare yields because its two different sources of alkaloids....

So i have treated the cuttings separate. Resulting in 10 piles of strips of green flesh (without skin). (Damn that took me allot of time) Then i have taken half (weight) of each pile and put those together in a pot. To make a tea -> Phlux- tek.

The other half of each pile is drying outside in the shadow -> 69ron tek

:d

cant wait for the results!! what are you gonna salt out with in ron's tek, hcl or vinegar? If you have both, maybe do a side-by-side on that too, half the limo pulls with hcl and half with acetate

(hehe I know its a lot of work, whatever you do test is very nice to know! )

Im going to salt all the xylene from the 69ron tek with vinegar. Havent got enough material for comparison 69ron mesc-HCl vs 69ron mesc-acetate...
The loss would be too much possibly leaving me to little product to do serious quality testing (i tend to play it safe, slowly up the dose..)

Too bad i havent got kilo's SP laying around :?
Maybe later when i can find some more reliable and usuable data on the use of LED lighting to grow them myself. Havent been succesful a that so far.
Long term project...pfff

 

[Virola78]

Better dry them quick. The catch mold after 3-4 days.

Tomorow i will put them in the sun then.

 

[prottel]

For health reasons, SWIM has stopped using the HCl because you cannot easily get food grade hydrochloric acid.

Purify it. Just pour the hcl in one small bowl, then put an equal size bowl with pure water in the other. Put both inside a big airtight container. Let it stay for a few weeks. When you open it again, pure hcl should have migrated over to the pure water. It would be half strength of the original hcl bowl if there is equal amounts of water.

Look here:
Youtube - The Home Scientist 007 - Purify hydrochloric acid

 

[69ron]

For health reasons, SWIM has stopped using the HCl because you cannot easily get food grade hydrochloric acid.

Purify it. Just pour the hcl in one small bowl, then put an equal size bowl with pure water in the other. Put both inside a big airtight container. Let it stay for a few weeks. When you open it again, pure hcl should have migrated over to the pure water. It would be half strength of the original hcl bowl if there is equal amounts of water.

Look here:
Youtube - The Home Scientist 007 - Purify hydrochloric acid

HCl is actually just a gas that happens to like being in water. That's an interesting way to purify it. I'm glad I read this post. This is really good information.

I'll have to try that out. It's a very simple test.

Is there any gas other than HCl in pool grade HCl that might migrate over to the clean water? Or is this pretty much a sure fire way of purifying HCl? For sure this gets rid all non-gases present.

I think this would make HCl suitable for use. Only a gas would migrate over, and such a gas would always evaporate off of your final product, so it would be of little concern.

Thanks for posting that Dagger. That's valuable info!

 

[Virola78]

Hey guys -

This seems like an easy way to make reagent grade HCl from Technical grade HCl:

(you are gonna kick yourselves after seeing this) I have not tried it yet but it seems like it could work & yield a relatively "clean" form of HCl.

Another way of making pure(?) HCl, using technical grade sulfuric acid and sea salt:

HCl can also be produced using NaHSO4, salt, and heat. NaHSO4 can be bought food-grade online, making this approach seem like a pretty safe one. It just requires a test tube that can be sealed off so the HCl gas from the reaction of NaHSO4 and NaCl can be bubble up through water in another test tube. Link:

cough

 

[Virola78]

Well im having issues with the Phlux- tek.

The tea clogged the coffeefilter, so i used some water to get it through. Now im trying to bring the tea back (again) to a volume i can handle (about 400ml), but again there is allot of solids forming. These solids will prob clog my sep funnel. Any advice?
Im thinking of just evapping it and having a go at the resin.. hope the heat hasnt done much damage.. :?

The 69ron tek is much easier so far. Doing a fourth pull at the moment. After that i will just have to wait for all the HCl and water to evap.
(yea i decided to use lab grade HCl 2% solution instead of vinegar)

 

[obliguhl]

What about some old cloths? You could probaly squeeze the water through.

 

[Virola78]

What about some old cloths? You could probaly squeeze the water through.

thx dude
but cloth wont filter out the tiny particles. A coffeefilter will do, but then i ill have to use more water again, to keep gravity going. And then i will have to reduce the tea again, and thats when there will be solids forming again :?

At the moment i am looking in my resin evap dish. The solids are forming a beautiful fingerprintlike pattern on the bottom.
I will be happy with this i have. Guess its the way things go for me. Im still learning

Btw there are some nice crystals forming in the 69ron tek evap dishes. Looks promising.

 

[w0mbat]

Virola - SWIM has found that your problem is a common one, and that fine particles even get through double- and quadruple-layered filters of muslin fabric. Try letting your acidic tea sit in the fridge overnight. Solids should settle on the bottom by morning. Carefully remove the top 3/4 of the liquid layer and filter it through a coffee filter again, it should go through easier this time.

To the remaining 1/4 of your tea, add more distilled water or vinegar, let it sit overnight, and then remove the top 3/4 or so of the water layer again. Repeat once more and you should have all of the active material without any of the plant gunk. Reduce the volume again and you should be good to go on to the next phase of your tech.

 

[Virola78]

Virola - SWIM has found that your problem is a common one, and that fine particles even get through double- and quadruple-layered filters of muslin fabric. Try letting your acidic tea sit in the fridge overnight. Solids should settle on the bottom by morning. Carefully remove the top 3/4 of the liquid layer and filter it through a coffee filter again, it should go through easier this time.

To the remaining 1/4 of your tea, add more distilled water or vinegar, let it sit overnight, and then remove the top 3/4 or so of the water layer again. Repeat once more and you should have all of the active material without any of the plant gunk. Reduce the volume again and you should be good to go on to the next phase of your tech.

Ok thanks for the tips. But this is too much work imo (so far).
Maybe i will do it again later, to see if this 'tea tek' can give me a cleaner crude product to start with.

Some silly cat tried a bit of the mescaline-HCl of the 69ron tek. The cat now realizes mescaline really needs to be fairly pure to have full effect. The cat begins to understand now what people mean when they say that the other alkaloids 'overshadow' or 'numb' the true mescaline experience.

Also the cat so far concludes for himself (for his 'way of lab') that mesc-HCl washed with acetone then IPA, is much cleaner than previous mesc-acetate washed with MEK.

There needs to be done more experimenting :d

 

[w0mbat]

Virola - SWIM has found that your problem is a common one, and that fine particles even get through double- and quadruple-layered filters of muslin fabric. Try letting your acidic tea sit in the fridge overnight. Solids should settle on the bottom by morning. Carefully remove the top 3/4 of the liquid layer and filter it through a coffee filter again, it should go through easier this time.

To the remaining 1/4 of your tea, add more distilled water or vinegar, let it sit overnight, and then remove the top 3/4 or so of the water layer again. Repeat once more and you should have all of the active material without any of the plant gunk. Reduce the volume again and you should be good to go on to the next phase of your tech.

Ok thanks for the tips. But this is too much work imo (so far).
Maybe i will do it again later, to see if this 'tea tek' can give me a cleaner crude product to start with.

I agree, it takes forever. That's why SWIM has switched to STB with lye-water. Lye is probably the best thing there is for breaking down cactus mucilage anyways...

 

[Virola78]

...I agree, it takes forever. That's why SWIM has switched to STB with lye-water. Lye is probably the best thing there is for breaking down cactus mucilage anyways...

There is no mucilage when using the 69ron tek, using lime instead of lye
and if the cactus powder* is mixed thoroughly with the lime powder before slowly mixing in the water, then the NP (xylene was used) can later be very easily separated from this cactus-lime-water-mix
use a big jar (1,5L) and just pour off the NP, see picture

* green flesh only, without skin. cut into strips, left to dry, powderized by coffeegrinder



some 50ml of the original 300ml xylene will remain in the mix after the first pull. so after the first pull there is 250ml xylene to salt.
the remaining 50ml be retrieved from the mix by using a coffeepress after the last pull.

nothing new here really
but i was wondering why to use lye and figured it was because of the 'mucilage'?

 

[jbark]

I should maybe start another thread to ask this, but here goes: is it really worth all the trouble to get pure mescaline? The resin I have is quite strong and very enjoyable, so i can't help wonder what the principle differences would be effectwise between this and a purer product...

Cheers,
JBArk

 

[Virola78]

I should maybe start another thread to ask this, but here goes: is it really worth all the trouble to get pure mescaline? The resin I have is quite strong and very enjoyable, so i can't help wonder what the principle differences would be effectwise between this and a purer product...

Cheers,
JBArk

^ there is some resin too, made from the same batch of cactus material.
But it was not tried in full dosis. so no comparisons yet.
maybe other animals have seriously compared?

Atm some tripperhappy cat is very excited about the purified mesc-HCl.
He did another (=3rd) IPA wash (which did not take on/off colour) and will be trying ~400mg soon
:d

hopefully no dissapointing surprises.
full dose should sufficiently eliminate 'misinterpretation of effect of other alkaloids' or perhaps (euforic) placebo effects.

 

[w0mbat]

Atm some tripperhappy cat is very excited about the purified mesc-HCl.
He did another (=3rd) IPA wash (which did not take on/off colour) and will be trying ~400mg soon
:d

What does the final product look like? Using ron's lime technique, SWIM ended up with a waxy, somewhat sticky, grayish-white product after washing with IPA. It looked almost like mescaline acetate, only whiter and a little less goey. The lye-water STB technique he is now using has produced regular crystals.

Edit: I should say that the salting was done with ~3% HCl, not with vinegar.

 

[Virola78]

Atm some tripperhappy cat is very excited about the purified mesc-HCl.
He did another (=3rd) IPA wash (which did not take on/off colour) and will be trying ~400mg soon
:d

What does the final product look like? Using ron's lime technique, SWIM ended up with a waxy, somewhat sticky, grayish-white product after washing with IPA. It looked almost like mescaline acetate, only whiter and a little less goey. The lye-water STB technique he is now using has produced regular crystals.

What?
i dont think mescaline acetate should be washed with IPA. the acetate should be washed with MEK, as far as i have understood.

Anyways, the 69ron tek using dried, powderized, green flesh without skin, lime, water, xylene, HCl 2%, 99% acetone washx2, 99% IPA washx3, will yield some off white free flowing powder. And it is very potent :shock: :shock: :shock:

OMFG you have no idea what i just experienced
i had no idea

 

[69ron]

Also the cat so far concludes for himself (for his 'way of lab') that mesc-HCl washed with acetone then IPA, is much cleaner than previous mesc-acetate washed with MEK.

This is true. The MEK wash for mescaline acetate doesn’t work nearly as well as an IPA wash for mescaline HCl. For this reason, until a better cleanup method is found for mescaline acetate, if you want pure mescaline you need to go with mescaline HCl.

Nearly 99% pure mescaline HCl can be obtained from mescaline HCl by washing with acetone and then IPA. The purity was verified by another member on this forum a while back.

Keep in mind that you can make mescaline HCl from mescaline acetate by simply pouring HCl onto mescaline acetate and evaporating it. It’s very simple. This works because HCl is a strong acid and acetic acid is a weak acid.

 

[69ron]

i dont think mescaline acetate should be washed with IPA. the acetate should be washed with MEK, as far as i have understood.

IPA was the first thing tried to wash mescaline acetate and it didn’t work. IPA completely dissolves mescaline acetate. So does acetone.

 

[Virola78]

i dont think mescaline acetate should be washed with IPA. the acetate should be washed with MEK, as far as i have understood.

IPA was the first thing tried to wash mescaline acetate and it didn’t work. IPA completely dissolves mescaline acetate. So does acetone.

Seriously dude, ty.

 

[endlessness]

but maybe w0mbat was talking about mescaline hcl (notice the quote in his post), so maybe he used ron's tek but salted with hcl?

otherwise indeed you guys are right and he shouldnt wash mesc acetate with IPA / acetone as it will dissolve it