precipitation

[etherealsamba]

yo swims wondering, if there is anyway to precipitate the freebase mesc to salt form (with acid) in something other than water? would acetone work as well, because when ever swim uses water it seems to evaporate slooooow as heck...

thanks a lot.

edit: swim alwaso would like to know, if san p alkaloid water has been sitting with lye for over a week, will the alks have been destroyed as well as mescaline? the water is currently brown not green like it was when first extracted.. thanks

 

[69ron]

Yes, precipitation is possible in solvents like acetone, MEK, and others. What salt are you talking about?

 

[etherealsamba]

i meant converting the extracted freebase to salts....

hmm well swim ran out of toluol, wondering what else he might be able to use to get something from the basified green brown water? has acetone, naptha and anything from around the house... any suggestion?

 

[69ron]

Yeah, I knew you meant that. I’m just asking because all the salts are different.

For example, mescaline HCl can be precipitated from 99% IPA, MEK or acetone by adding HCl. The HCl needs to be water free, meaning a gas dissolved in the solvent. This is a little tough for the average guy to perform.

Mescaline acetate can be precipitated from MEK or d-limonene by adding pure acetic acid. This is relatively simply. You just add some glacial acetic acid to the solvent. Put the solvent in the freezer overnight and mescaline acetate should precipitate out of the solvent.

SWIM has tried these methods with an extract that was already fairly pure, but doesn’t know exactly how effective they are with a very crude extract.

 

[Observant]

The Ipa / FASI approach seems to be giving me great results .

It also gave him some off white precipitation from freebased mesc acetate resins .
Hopefully Mescaline Fumarate

Observant, can you go into more detail about this in one of the mescaline threads? I would love to hear more about it.

SWIM tried making mescaline fumarate precipitate from d-limonene. He saturated acetone with fumaric acid, added it to the d-limoenne with the freebase mescaline in it, and all that happened was fumaric acid precipitated out. No mescaline ever did. It was disappointing.

No Problem , the process went something like this .

He freebased about 5grams of sticky deeep red Torch and Achuma Acetates from your Limonene Tek with Calcium Hydroxide and let that dry .

The dried paste was pulled from with around 80mls of 99%Iso (1st Pull)
80mls of FASI was added to the first pull to give this a try .
The Solution first went cloudy and then this brighter cloud appeared in the bottle (floating Alkaloids i suppose/like when freebasing Harmalas)

He filtered that off and the Crystals collected in the filter paper , leaving still red Isopropanole mix.
The dried filtrate very much looks like impure Caapi FB Harmaloids in the filter .
I guess he will have to bioassay some of that.

It Would be nice if this had separated the Mescaline from the other alkaloids .


Observant

 

[69ron]

Very interesting.

Did you taste it? You can usually identify if its mescaline by the taste. (Don't ask me to describe the taste. It's too hard to put in words. Anyone who's tasted pure mescaline knows the taste. It’s very distinctive.)

If the taste is just sour, then it's just precipitated fumaric acid. I doubt it's that.

Did it look like possibly 50% of the source material precipitated? That's about how much you should get if it’s mescaline that precipitated. When extracting using that d-limonene tech, mescaline is often as little as 50% of the end product. Sometimes more, sometimes less.

 

[Observant]

Hasnt tasted it yet , He can compare with amber torch acetates later .
Not so very much precipitated from this first pull , the second pull is still sitting with the dried paste , some more should precip from that .

The precips weigh about 200mgs .
The resin consisted of leftovers , the tan acetates excluded ... long pulls with more vinegar than required , i think that could explain why he has more junk in solution .