Psilocybin citrate e-liquid ?

[xa]

Could be possible an extraction like CIELO whit mushrooms ? I mean extract a citrate salt of psylocibin/psylocin and use it in vape e-liquid ?

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8/29/2022 Edit: DMT citrate e-juice salt has matured into a TEK. Ideas below are early development using a longer process going through DMT FB. The idea of using DMT salts follows the commercial success of Juul's development of nicotine salts as explained in this thread. Want to report I'm...

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[northape]

Can I get an honest answer for once as to why people are trying to smoke psilocybin all the time?
It was designed by Mother Nature to be orally consumed. That is how it works, without any MAOI or anything. Why try to smoke every possible substance?
Lungs are for breathing fresh air and occasional changa/cannabis. Psilocybin is similar to DMT, but if you look at how they differ, it becomes apparent that DMT is a much better candidate for smoking. If you want to try smoking something exotic, go with bufotenine, imo. We have some teks for it in the wiki.

 

[Varallo]

Yes, it is certainly possible, but there are serious problems with vaporization and with stability of psilocybin, especially in a liquid, and when combined with metals like in the coils of a vaporizer they degrade very rapidly as the metal seems to play an role as possibly an catalyst.

Next extraction of psilocybin is very difficult, mainly due to oxidation and degradation. It is nearly impossible for an amateur to reach a state where you actually have psilocybin, and then dissolve it as a citrate salt.

I have experimented with Miprocin and Metocin. Both as fumarates dissolved in PG and VG. While they vaporize nice, the results are poor. These substituted tryptamines in my view work best when taken orally. If you want a light effect, sublingual can be used. Nasal is possible, but adds little and does not meaningfully enhance the experience. Finally one can plug it, this results in an very quick come up, and shorter duration, somehow its also reportedly less bodyload producing.

Can I get an honest answer for once as to why people are trying to smoke psilocybin all the time?
It was designed by Mother Nature to be orally consumed. That is how it works, without any MAOI or anything. Why try to smoke every possible substance?
Lungs are for breathing fresh air and occasional changa/cannabis. Psilocybin is similar to DMT, but if you look at how they differ, it becomes apparent that DMT is a much better candidate for smoking. If you want to try smoking something exotic, go with bufotenine, imo. We have some teks for it in the wiki.

I do think it’s pretty neat to vaporize, it leads to shorter experiences that can be somewhat controlled in intensity and it’s therefore easier to dive deeper, high doses of Aya that lead to breakthrough states are very different from the quick visits when vaporizing, both serve a purpose.

 

[Jamie01]

It’s been discussed a lot in the past…consensus afaik is yes it’s possible to vape it but I dunno personally…

nen888 claimed to have success with a grey crystal if I remember…Jim DeKorn claimed to have vaped it.

I have recently heard of it being vaped in juice but I can’t recall where…not even sure if it was psilocin or psilocybin.

I wish I could offer more information but I can’t. I hope others can because it’s a project I plan to work on this year and something I am personally really interested in so I wish you luck and please post results if you try it.

 

[northape]

I do think it’s pretty neat to vaporize, it leads to shorter experiences that can be somewhat controlled in intensity and it’s therefore easier to dive deeper, high doses of Aya that lead to breakthrough states are very different from the quick visits when vaporizing, both serve a purpose.

I get the reasoning, but why psilocybin when DMT is readily available? Maybe I'm too dull or conservative; I don't know.
Bufochanga seems much more interesting, but to each his own, I guess. Good luck with the project, @xa and @Jamie01.

 

[Jamie01]

I don’t enjoy bufotenine personally. I think it’s a terrible drug the way it feels physically…even though I did it a lot in the past.

DMT is not readily available. It’s mostly plants harvested in some far away place, by people I don’t know doing god know what..then shipped around the globe. I don’t know if it’s sustainable or…I have no idea.

What I do have is more mushrooms than I can store and constantly more more fruiting with no idea what to do other than experiment.

 

[northape]

I don’t enjoy bufotenine personally. I think it’s a terrible drug the way it feels physically…even though I did it a lot in the past.

That's the deal: very few have found how to use it successfully. I have never read about anyone really working with it, apart from tribes.

DMT is not readily available. It’s mostly plants harvested in some far away place, by people I don’t know doing god know what..then shipped around the globe. I don’t know if it’s sustainable or…I have no idea.

What I do have is more mushrooms than I can store and constantly more more fruiting with no idea what to do other than experiment.

Thanks. It was much easier for me to understand. I come from a point where mushrooms are hard to get, and it's the opposite on your side.
Mimosa is a fence plant in Brazil, so it's in no way endangered. I think they even plant them now because of the demand for DMT.
However, if you can source directly from Nature, there is no question about what to do.

 

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[Jamie01]

There’s no secret to bufotenine IMO. Freebase vaped elicits breakthroughs into a hyperspace. There just doesn’t seem to be a way around the vasoconstriction and it’s not much to write home about in terms of psychological effects. It’s CRAZY visual.

 

[northape]

There’s no secret to bufotenine IMO. Freebase vaped elicits breakthroughs into a hyperspace. There just doesn’t seem to be a way around the vasoconstriction and it’s not much to write home about in terms of psychological effects. It’s CRAZY visual.

I've only used it as snuff and thought that maybe someone went past vasoconstriction somehow. Perhaps tribes have some secret to it, or they just go through the difficulty.
It was very visual for me, too. Thanks again for the clarification.

 

[xa]

Thanks to all,
I was just curious and i like ti immaging a route like that with mushrooms, example, for me try to use in my cluster headache, it's another tool, like jamie said, mushrooms sre more easy to find and to cultivate, here where i live. Unfortunately my experience is very poor and i don't have basis for these chemist things. Then in my imagination everything i can do at home it's good, and in case of substances, i will like to have around my house, my area where i live, go to harvest and use it it's food.
Best.