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Psychoactive Honey ?

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Is there such a thing?

And no I don`t mean the `melzinho`, or reduced ayahuasca :)

I just taken a blind test with 4 different types of honey, from Chestnut, Rosemary, Tilia and from honeydew. A couple of minutes after the last taste I started feeling what seemed like psychoactive effects (the typical `come up` feeling of altered headspace and increased 'surreality' of visual field).

Maybe it was placebo, maybe it was the THC in my system suddenly being stronger, but it did felt quite peculiar.

The other funny thing, which might be unrelated but the chestnut honey smells A LOT like DMT.. It`s amazing, it was the first thing I noticed. There might be some indole compound in there. In any case this got me thinking if there are any known psychoactive honeys, and what kind of data do we have on traditional use of honey?
 
..i believe there is such a thing..

but i'm afriad i i can't dig out a reference on the spot..it's late where i am..

i have read at least one article talking about the Aztecs grazing bees on psychoactive flowers like solanaceae to produce pyschoactive honeys..

and i know that flavonoids can be transferred from flowers to honey..

so presumably a range of psychoactive honey could be..

sounds great, this honey! endlessness..
 
Honeys can definitely be psychoactive at times, depending on the choice of flower pollinated by the bees. I've heard tales (not sure as to the validity) of bee shamanism in the UK, and there is an island off Wales with beehives and an unusual density of Solanaceous plants such as henbane, nightshade and Datura. At certain times of year, when the proportion of flowers in bloom is just right, the bees can produce a powerful visionary honey (or so the theory goes). The guy who wrote about this was for a time considering letting me analyze these honeys, but all went quiet on that front for some reason.

Even if this is hypothetical in nature, the theory behind it is absolutely sound. In Spring this year I did some research on Mexican honey in Texas with a few London based biologists. These are highly social wasps, but like bees, have independently evolved the ability to make and store honey, to fall back on during hard times. In certain times, and in certain places, this honey can be intoxicating/toxic, again due to the wasps pollinating Solanaceous plants such as Datura. Despite warnings of biologist colleagues I did consume some wasp honey on a few occasions (strong, rich, smoky flavour) and alas I was not poisoned. But yeah I think this is an interesting and largely unexplored frontier. Raw, unheated, unprocessed honey is a great food, and I think this is the best form of it to obtain in the hope of experiencing any psychoactive effect; it's certainly the healthiest.

A few links (with further references and links) that may be of interest:

Interesting page on Erowid on psychoactive honeys, by Christian Rätsch.


Ott, J. (1998) The Delphic bee: Bees and toxic honeys as pointers to psychoactive and other medicinal plants. Economic Botany, 52, (3), 260-266.

 

This is a video posted over on STS about a tribe who collect hallucinogenic honey. Pretty interesting watch, and beautiful scenery.
 
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This is a video posted over on STS about a tribe who collect hallucinogenic honey. Pretty interesting watch, and beautiful scenery.

IIRC its honey from the flowers of Rhododendrons.

Around minute 26, the narrator says, "the honey contains ditepenae (sp?) Alcohol, a toxin that causes effects similar to absinthe"
 

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Very interesting, thanks for the info!

I loved the video.. I think they said `diterpene alcohol`, though there are several of them. Later in the video towarsd the end they mention grayanotoxins.. I wonder what kind of positive effects they really have, if any, because literature seems to focus on the `intoxication` aspects.

Does anybody have access to Ott's paper?
 
Whoops. Feeling silly. Here:


ABSTRACT
Herein a brief review, with 49 references, of the history and phytochemistry of toxic honeys, in which bees have sequestered plant secondary compounds naturally occurring in plant nectars (floral and extrafloral). It is hypothesized that such toxic honeys could have served as pointers to psychoactive and other medicinal plants for human beings exploring novel ecosystems, causing such plants to stand out, even against a background of extreme biodiversity. After reviewing various ethnomedicinal uses of toxic honeys, the author suggests that pre-Columbian Yucatecan Mayans intentionally produced a psychoactive honey from the shamanic inebriant Turbina corymbosa as a visionary substrate for manufacture of their ritual metheglin, balché. Se presenta una breve reseña, con 49 citas bibliográficas, de la historia y fitoquímica de mieles tóxicas, en las cuales las abejas han secuestrado compuestos secundarios de plantas, de ocurrencia natural en sus néctares (florales y extraflorales). Se hipotiza que semejantes mieles tóxicas podrían haber funcionado como indicadores hacia plantas psicoactivas y otras plantas medicinales, para seres humanos explorando ecosistemas novedosos, haciendo destacar semejantes plantas, aún contra un trasfondo de biodiversidad extrema. Después de reseñar varios usos etnomedicinales de mieles tóxicas, el autor sugiere que los mayas yucatecos precolombinos produjeron a propósito una miel psicoactiva del embriagante chamánico Turbina corymbosa como substrato visionario de su aloja ritual balché.
Key Words: balché; meads; Turbina corymbosa; entheogens; Mayan Indians: Lonchocarpus violaceus.
Tradition holds the famous Delphic Oracle was revealed by a swarm of bees, and the Pythia or divinatory priestesses in Delphi's Temple of Apollo were affectionately called 'Delphic Bees', while virgin priestesses of Greek Goddesses like Rhea and Demeter were called melissai, 'bees'; the hierophants essenes, 'king bees'. Great musicians and poets like Pindar were inspired by the Muses, who bestowed the sacred enthusiasm of the logos, sending bees to anoint the poets' lips with honey (Ransome 1937). Some hold the vatic revelations of the Pythia were stimulated by inhaling visionary vapors of henbane, Hyoscyamus niger L., issuing from a fumarole over which the Delphic Bees were suspended, and into which the plant had been cast (Rätsch 1987). The primordial Eurasian entheogenic plant soma/haoma, known in the Vedas as amrta, the potion of immortality, was called ambrosia by the Greeks, and with nektar, the other sustenance of the Immortals, was associated with bees and honey (Roscher 1883). This curious lore may represent a sort of mythological fossil, concealing a hitherto overlooked mechanism of drug-discovery. I suggest that immemorial pursuit of wild honey, the only concentrated sweet which occurs naturally, could have led inexorably to the discovery of psychoactive and other toxic honeys, while subsequent observation of bees' foraging habits could easily have led preliterate shaman/pharmacognosists to single out toxic plant species, even against a background of extreme biodiversity, as in Amazonia.
Xenophon's 4th century B.C. Anabasis (IV, VII, 20) described psychoactive honey-poisoning during the 'Retreat of the Ten Thousand' in the ill-starred expedition of Cyrus. Countless soldiers in the Greek army, encamped near Trebizonde in Asia Minor, ate liberally of honey found there, "lost their senses and vomited," and "resembled drunken persons." Pliny (XXI, XLV) described madness-inducing honey from this area as meli moenomenon ('mad honey'), and also mentioned (XXI, XLVI) a medicinal honey from Crete, miraculum mellis or 'wondrous honey' (Halliday 1922; Ransome 1937). The 6th-8th century B.C. Homeric Hymn to Hermes referred to melissai or bee-oracles from Delphi's Mt. Parnassos, who could prophesy only after ingesting meli chloron or 'green honey', perhaps a reference to Pliny's 'mad honey'. It was conjectured that these bee-oracles were the Pythia, hence psychotropic honey could have been a catalyst for the mantic utterances of the Delphic Bees (Mayor 1995). It is thought the source of meli moenomenon was Rhododendron ponticum L., which contains toxic glucosides called andromedotoxins or grayanotoxins (Krause 1926; Plugge 1891; Wood, et al. 1954), found in other species of Ericaceae, notably Kalmia latifolia L., another plant whose honey has provoked poisonings (Howes 1949; Jones 1947). Grayanotoxins occur in North American toxic honeys, presumably from K. latifolia (Scott, Coldwell, and Wiberg 1971). Frequent honey poisonings in Japan (Kohanawa 1957; Tokuda and Sumita 1925) were traced to ericaceous Tripetaleia paniculata Sieb. et Zucc., and grayanotoxins were found in these honeys (Tsuchiya et al. 1977). Another toxic glucoside, ericolin, is known from ericaceous Ledum palustre L., and from honeys derived from this plant, which caused human poisonings (Kozolva 1957; Palmer-Jones 1965). Both L. palustre and L. hypoleucum Kam. are used as shamanic inebriants by Tungusic tribes of Siberia (Brekhman and Sam 1967); while 'Labrador tea', L. groenlandicum Oeder of the Kwakiutl Indians is said to have 'narcotic properties' (Turner and Bell 1973). Similarly, the well-known ericaceous kinnikinnick, Arctostaphylos uva-ursi (L.) Sprenger, is smoked as an inebriant by Kwakiutl and other North American Indians (Ott 1993; Turner and Bell 1973), pointing to possible content of ericolin or grayanotoxins.
An 'epidemic' of honey poisoning in New Zealand was traced to honeydew or excrement of Scolypopa australis Walker, which had fed on leaves of tutu, Coriaria arborea Lindsay, Coriariaceae (Palmer-Jones 1947; Palmer-Jones 1965; Palmer-Jones and White 1949). 'Mellitoxin' isolated from the honey was identical to hyaenanchin from euphorbiaceous Hyoenanche globosa Lamb; and a second honey toxin, tutin, is found in C. arborea (Clinch and Turner 1968; Palmer-Jones 1965). This leaf-hopper had transformed tutin from tutu leaves into hyaenanchin during digestion; the bees making honey from its excrement. Symptoms of this honey poisoning included giddiness, delirium and excitement, suggesting toxicological relationship to the Ecuadorian shamanic inebriant C. thymifolia Humb. et Bonpl. ex Willd., shanshi, used to induce sensations of flight (Naranjo 1969). Preliminary investigations of shanshi suggested presence of a toxic glucoside (Naranjo and Naranjo 1961).
Solanaceae are known both for shamanic inebriants and toxic honeys. Human honey poisonings in Hungary were traced to Atropa belladonna L. or Datura metel L., and symptoms resembled those of tropane alkaloids scopolamine and hyoscyamine found in both (Hazslinszky 1956). Polish honey poisonings were traced to D. inoxia Miller (=D. meteloides DC. ex Dunal), and scopolamine found in the honey (Lutomski, Debska and Gorecka 1972). Both scopolamine and atropine were detected in toxic honey from Colombia, of unknown provenience (Barragán de Domínguez 1973). Perhaps Brugmansia species were involved--these Andean shamanic inebriants (Ott 1993) yield toxic honeys (Lockwood 1979). Indole alkaloid gelsemine could account for honey poisoning from loganiaceous Gelsemium sempervirens (L.) Aiton in 19th century South Carolina--symptoms also included giddiness (Kebler 1896).
Brasilian inebriating honey from stingless bee Trigona recurva Smith is called feiticeira ('sorceress') or vamo-nos-embora ('let's go!')--in "allusion to the reeling, half-drunken condition in which one falls after partaking of this honey" (Ihering 1903[4]). Mombuca, Argentine stingless bee (Melipona sp.) honey had "inebriating effects owing to the fact that the little bees harvest it from some flowers with narcotic properties" (Spegazzini 1909). Toxic honeys oreceroch and overecepes occur in Chiquitos, Bolivia; also a delicious honey, omocayoch, said to be as inebriating as liquor (D'Orbigny 1839); while a Paraguayan honey was characterized "as intoxicating as aqua vita" (Schwarz 1948).
So at least three categories of psychoactive phytotoxins--indole and tropane alkaloids and glucosides--occur in toxic honeys, and likewise in nectars from which such are made (vide: reviews of non-sugar floral-nectar chemistry: Baker 1977; Baker and Baker 1983). Psychoactive cannabinoids occur in pollen of marijuana, cannabinaceous Cannabis sativa L. (Paris, Boucher and Cosson 1975). Pollen toxins could be sequestered by bees in honeys, as are nectar or honeydew toxins. Cannabis nectar likely also contains cannabinoids, explaining a common belief of marijuana growers, that marijuana honeys are psychotropic.
One of the more recondite Mesoamerican inebriants is the Mayan metheglin balché, a mead of stingless-bee honey, water and bark of leguminaceous balché, Lonchocarpus violaceus (Jacquin) DC. (Goncalves de Lima, et al. 1977). L. violaceus is psychoactive, owing to content of longistylines (Delle Monache, et al. 1977) or piscicidal rotenone, and Mayaist C. Rätsch proposed other shamanic inebriants, like psilocybian mushrooms and ololiuhqui (Turbina corymbosa [L.] Rafinesque, xtabentún in Mayan; Fig. 1), were once added to balché (Rätsch 1992). Rätsch thought feasible my suggestion that xtabentún may have been a balché ingredient, as honey rich in psychotropic ergoline alkaloids of this Convolvulaceae (Hofmann 1963)--noting the Lacandón Indians, avid balché consumers, know of inebriating honeys. Contemporary shamanic use of T. corymbosa has not been documented among the Mayans, but is all but universal among indigenous groups in Oaxaca, and occurs elsewhere in México (Lipp 1991; Wasson 1963). Besides psychoactivity, ergolines have potent uterotonic effects, and seeds of ololiuhqui/xtabentún are also used as ecbolics/oxytocics (to precipitate childbirth) by indigenous groups in Oaxaca (Browner 1985; Ortíz de Montellano and Browner 1985). 'Virgin honey' of stingless bees (Trigona sp.) is used in ethnogynecology in Huejutla, Hidalgo (Ramos-Elorduy de Conconi and Pino Moreno 1988), and R.L. Roys documented use of wild stingless-bee honey in Mayan ethnogynecology, noting of Tabentun (xtabentún, identified as convolvulaceous): "the aromatic honey from its flower is said to be the source of a potent drink" (Roys 1931). Oaxacan Mixe use T. corymbosa as a shamanic inebriant, and also employ "special honey" from Trigona sp. as an ethnogynecological remedy (Lipp 1991). Clavigero highly praised estabentùn honey (Clavigero 1780); entomologist H.F. Schwarz attributed xtabentún honey to Melipona beecheii Bennett, noting it was still produced in Yucatán in the 1940s, being the most esteemed of many ethnomedicinal Mexican honeys (Schwarz 1948). An article on Mayan apiculture described situating hives near natural stands of xtabentún, noting "all their honey comes from this flower. No other is allowed to prosper in the immediate vicinity" (Mediz Bolio 1974). These clues suggest colelcab (M. beecheii) T. corymbosa honeys were produced intentionally and much esteemed for constituent ergoline alkaloids conferring uterotonic and psychoactive properties. Such honeys may have been exploited by the Mayans in fabrication of their ritual metheglin balché, endowing the sacred inebriant with the plant's legendary and chemically-verified entheogenic properties.
Field work in Yucatán and Quintana Roo revealed xtabentún honey was no longer of economic importance, and traditional Mayan hollow-log apiculture was found sadly degenerated (Fig. 2, 3). We failed to obtain samples of xtabentún honey for bioassay and chemical analysis, but attempts to produce it are underway. In Mérida and Valladolid, Yucatán, there survives production of a distilled liqueur from fermented honey, and known as Xtabentún! A modern liqueur named for a pre-Columbian entheogen, is yet another clue pointing to existence of inebriating T. corymbosa honey, and its probable use as traditional fermentation substrate for the sacred Mayan metheglin balché.
Xtabentún liqueur and conjectured use of psychoactive honey in balché have parallels in the classical and modern worlds. Pliny noted meli moenomenon of Asia Minor was made into a mead or metheglin, and toxic Ericaceae honey was traditionally added to alcoholic beverages in the Caucasus, to enhance their inebriating properties; while such toxic honey, deli bal, is taken in Turkey as a tonic in milk. Deli bal was an important export from this region in the 18th century, widely used to potentiate liquors in Europe--called miel fou, 'crazy honey' in France (Mayor 1995). "Very intoxicating" honey, likely from Kalmia spp. (mountain laurel) was used in 18th century New Jersey to 'spike' liquor sold under the appropriate trade-name 'Metheglin' (Jones 1947; Kebler 1896).
Toxic honeys are not unusual (I have intentionally ignored the literature on non-psychoactive plant [and industrial] toxins sequestered in honeys), nor are accidental inebriations by psychoactive honeys exceptional. In satisfying the universal human "sweet tooth" during human explorations of any given ecosystems, foragers would encounter psychoactive and other toxic honeys. Having consumed such honeys and experienced psychoactive or other medicinal properties of their contained alkaloids and allied phytochemicals, it would require no special technology nor great imagination to follow the bees to the nectar source, thereby easily finding valuable plants. It has been suggested that ethnomedicinal and culinary plants were discovered by a systematic process of ingesting all species, in the eternal search for food. Some have questioned whether such an extensive bioassay program were feasible in areas of extraordinarily-high biodiversity, such as Amazonia, thought to be home to at least 80 000 species of higher plants (Schultes 1988)! Apart from observation of the effects of bioactive plants on domestic and wild animals, serendipitous encounters with phytotoxins in honeys could have served as highly-specific and efficient pointers to medicinal, especially psychoactive, plants, which would thus stand out in deep relief, even against a backdrop of extreme phytodiversity.
There is evidence that in the case of T. corymbosa among the Yucatecan Mayans, a toxic honey may have attained exalted status as a preferred method of ingesting a psychoactive plant, even being produced intentionally. These Mayans came to worship bee-gods like Ah-Muzen-Cab, 'Great Lord Bee', who can be seen descending even today, above the entrances to pyramid-top temples at Tulúm and Cobá, his ancestral home (Fig. 4). Much as we sweeten our bitter medicines with sugary syrups, bees collecting toxic nectars from flowers might naturally have prepared and concentrated a sweetened drug for the delectation of awed human votaries of Ah-Muzen-Cab and his industrious, heavenly host.


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Continuum

Thank you ever so much for sharing such a beautiful and interesting video, I really loved it... and thank you to everyone else who has contributed to this fascinating thread.


Much Peace and Respect
 
The video was all Sunshine from Share the Seeds, so thanks to him :thumb_up: ! There's a beekeeping forum over at STS now so maybe you could pick his brain for additional information.
 
I've once heard people say that it's possible to dissolve psilocyn and or psilocybin in honey. It would be like to put some mushrooms into the honey and their alkaloid content would then dissolve into it. Honestly, I don't know if this is true or not, but since you're discussing honey I thought this might be of some value...
 
^^This is definitely true, as a good friend gifted me with a jar of this very honey as a really great birthday present. One teaspoon was meant to contain around 3g of dried liberty caps, and this dose was powerful, yet gentle. Very smooth and easy mushroom come up and a really great experience, the flavour of the honey also masked that of the mushrooms well, even if it looked pretty weird.
 
endlessness said:
I just taken a blind test with 4 different types of honey, from Chestnut, Rosemary, Tilia and from honeydew. A couple of minutes after the last taste I started feeling what seemed like psychoactive effects (the typical `come up` feeling of altered headspace and increased 'surreality' of visual field).

Tilia flowers are well known to me and others as a very effective calming sedative, if you're not expecting it then I'm sure you could mistake the mild effects of one drug to another, and I wouldn't be surprised at all if the nectar was active too. The flowers themselves actually taste a lot like honey in tea and make absolutely amazingly balanced sleepy beer too.
 
doodlekid said:
I've once heard people say that it's possible to dissolve psilocyn and or psilocybin in honey. It would be like to put some mushrooms into the honey and their alkaloid content would then dissolve into it. Honestly, I don't know if this is true or not, but since you're discussing honey I thought this might be of some value...

Doodlekid

Psilocybin honey is a lovely way to ingest and preserve mushrooms. Though if you choose to make some psilocybin honey make sure to prepare and store it correctly.


Much Peace and Respect
 
Aegle said:
Doodlekid

Psilocybin honey is a lovely way to ingest and preserve mushrooms. Though if you choose to make some psilocybin honey make sure to prepare and store it correctly.


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Hi Aegle,

Do you have a recipe? Got very curious about it 😁
 
Doodlekid

Weigh out the desired amount of dried mushrooms, make sure the mushrooms have been dried properly and then grind them in a coffee grinder or you can leave them whole. Note that if you use 100g of honey and 10g of dried mushrooms: When you eat 10 grams of honey, it would be the equivalent to 1g of mushrooms.

Put the honey and mushrooms in the jar, first some honey than some mushrooms and create layers of the honey and the mushrooms.

Seal your jar tightly and store it in a dry, dark and cool place.

It may take a few months probably 1 - 3 months before the honey is ready so it does take patience but the method is incredibly simple. When you do have the first sample of your honey be cautious and perhaps try a teaspoon at first in order to correctly gauge the potency.

Erowid Note: Storing fresh mushrooms in honey can lead to excess water in the honey, which can result in either rotting or fermenting. Caution should be exercised when ingesting fresh mushrooms stored in honey.



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nen888 said:
...a wide range of compounds can be transferred to honeys from pollen/flowers..e.g. medicinal honey (manuka etc) ..

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High concentration of fructose in acacia honey makes it one of the sweetest varieties of honey, however thanks to the low sucrose content it is the best choice for diabetics. It is known to regulate intestinal function and cleanse the liver. Acacia honey helps in treating catarrhal and acute respiratory diseases, headaches, kidney diseases, atherosclerosis, and is a reliable sedative for nervous disorders and insomnia.
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Apparently though, the acacia honey is made with the 'false acacia'

Do you think any beneficial compounds could be transferred from acacias to the honey? (Not sure with the whole flowers containing no alkaloids reported so far (at least as I have read so far)

Suppose it could, wonder what would potentially be the best acacia candidate for making honey do you think? (With Sweetness, medicinal benefits etc). I'm thinking maybe Acacia farnensiana 'sweet acacia'

I have a friend that has family in the honey making business, and he's just talked about getting into it himself on his new property. After seeing that pic of the US nursery with those tubs growing acacias, I though that would be a great idea to pursue (both for the method, and to produce honey)
 
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