Psys and the Youth

[Grand Equinox]

So, I'm getting interested in the development of kids who are exposed to psys. Since it isn't exactly common in contemporary culture for a 10 year old to drink ayahuasca, take acid, experience egodeath, etc... I want to know how the nexus feels that substances would effect the development of a psy familiar child. I believe endlessness has a few links on the subject.

 

[Sky Motion]

Define "child" in age, you said 10, but is that what a child is?

I haven't ever heard of a child using said substances, and I'm sure it would have more of a negative impact on them then a more "fully" developed brain.

I am 18 and sometimes wonder if I should have waited a few years to start working with these things, but before I could even wonder this, it was too late.

 

[۩]

After having phenomenal experiences throughout my childhood, I began altering my consciousness at the age of 13, having a strong desire to do so that I could not deny. It was embedded in my instincts, I knew this was something I had to do, and sought things like mushrooms for mind expansion even when everyone around me only knew psychedelics in the context of "You're on shrooms, and you think of a cow, and then there's a purple cow in the street and everyone sees it." I just knew that there was more to these things than this...

If a kid has a strong desire to alter their consciousness, there is nothing you can do about it. Educate them on the use of natural substances so they don't have to go through the beer and Vicodin phase and learn the hard way at least. Providing a curious child knowledge is not the same as providing them drugs, they will find them on their own. I stopped at nothing until I had these experiences under my belt.

Some people who feel this call can benefit tremendously from early use of psychedelics. Hell, I even wish I started earlier!

 

[tele]

Persons at least under 15(or possibly even 21) have misconceptions about many things in life in general(well don't we all have though) so what's the rush to take powerful mind altering substances? I believe one is better off waiting couple years than getting into something that one couldn't possibly handle so well. But each to own etc.

 

[۩]

Persons at any age have misconceptions about life.

I see absolutely no evidence that age has anything to do with the proper use of psychedelics. I've known plenty of trippers who got into it young and have benefited from this. Where is the evidence pointing towards the opposite?

Maybe some people don't know what they are getting themselves into, or can't handle it, but this doesn't seem to apply to those that directly seek these things out due to instincts.

I fully support a person tripping at any age they feel they are ready.

 

[universecannon]

Children have been taking ayahuasca for thousands of years as far as we know, and in their culture there doesn't seem to be any negative repercussions of it.. Not that it couldn't have negatives in our backwards culture, of course. The context plays a huge roll here

Persons at least under 15(or possibly even 21) have misconceptions about many things in life in general(well don't we all have though) so what's the rush to take powerful mind altering substances? I believe one is better off waiting couple years than getting into something that one couldn't possibly handle so well. But each to own etc.

I'm 21 and i couldn't disagree more, to be honest. I started around 14 and looking back, wouldn't have had it any other way. I feel that, while not for everyone, careful psychedelic use while young can help one quickly parse through some of the more ingrained misconceptions that your talking about...especially the main ones our culture pushes onto the masses.. Perhaps even on a deeper level than if they'd done so without psychedelics, as you say they would (no guarantee though, of course)

 

[tele]

Sure, I just believe there is no hurry in taking a trip while in young age(at least I believe under 15).

I'm sure there are persons who have benefited from early age use, but I don't believe there is rush with these things. Even if one is ready, it's just in my opinion not such a big problem if one waits a year or more before taking the substance, maybe doing some research on the substance meanwhile, and maybe talking to people who have done it.
For some reason I believe that most kids under 15 who want to trip haven't read or heard much about tripping. Maybe not everybody need to research though.

If people take them earlier, that's fine. I just stated that in my opinion it's not a bad idea to wait until one is at least 15.

Persons at any age have misconceptions about life.

I see absolutely no evidence that age has anything to do with the proper use of psychedelics. I've known plenty of trippers who got into it young and have benefited from this. Where is the evidence pointing towards the opposite?

Maybe some people don't know what they are getting themselves into, or can't handle it, but this doesn't seem to apply to those that directly seek these things out due to instincts.

I fully support a person tripping at any age they feel they are ready.

 

[universecannon]

house has a valid point. People of all ages hold misconceptions about life, and as we all know there are also many many adults in our society who are just as mentally unprepared for psychedelics as many young people

 

[universecannon]

"For some reason I believe that most kids under 15 who want to trip haven't read or heard much about tripping. Maybe not everybody need to research though."

i don't really know enough <15 year olds to have an opinion on this that's supported by anything more than anecdotal evidence from those who have lived it. I just know the moment i heard about this i researched obsessively :lol:

how many <15 year olds do/did you know who want to try psychedelics but dont do any research? Because i actually have encountered way more 'adults' who take psychedelics without doing any research whatsoever

 

[tele]

I just for some reason have the feeling that most persons who have just reached puberty don't really care much about research when taking a drug, I might be wrong of course.
Obviously I can't base this opinion on persons who I know personally.
To say the least, I believe persons under 15 should consider waiting a bit before taking it.

"For some reason I believe that most kids under 15 who want to trip haven't read or heard much about tripping. Maybe not everybody need to research though."

i don't really know enough <15 year olds to have an opinion on this that's supported by anything more than anecdotal evidence from those who have lived it. I just know the moment i heard about this i researched obsessively :lol:

how many <15 year olds do/did you know who want to try psychedelics but dont do any research? Because i actually have encountered way more 'adults' who take psychedelics without doing any research whatsoever

 

[jamie]

kids are exposed to all kinds of psychoactive chemicals, hormones, steroids, neurotransmitters etc throughout their entire developement..its called food and it is all psychoactive. On top of that if you study primate(which we evolved from) diets, they eat tons and tons of tropical fruits, leaves etc rich in all kinds of active neurotransmitters, maoi flavanoids like apiginin and quercetin..some fruits even comntain beta carbolines like harmaline..tryptamines like seratonin, and melatonin occurs alongside flavanoids in some fruits..this is how it is sopposed to be..we all get psychoactive chemicals through our diet and it has always been this way..why would a neurotransmitter like DMT in the diet really be any worse than a neurotransmitter like seratonin, melatonin, maoi's like flavanoids, steroid inhibitors etc?

I think people seriously simplify this whole subject often when it is dicussed and people dumb down the word "drugs" to only really point to a very limited definition of the word..and doing so the whole subject becomes somewhat pointless becasue it does not properly reflect reality.

 

[Grand Equinox]

Thanks for the responses. I personally know a few younger teens that enjoy acid. I just don't know how that will effect them as they age.

 

[ayalove]

I just for some reason have the feeling that most persons who have just reached puberty don't really care much about research when taking a drug, I might be wrong of course.
Obviously I can't base this opinion on persons who I know personally.
To say the least, I believe persons under 15 should consider waiting a bit before taking it.

"For some reason I believe that most kids under 15 who want to trip haven't read or heard much about tripping. Maybe not everybody need to research though."

i don't really know enough <15 year olds to have an opinion on this that's supported by anything more than anecdotal evidence from those who have lived it. I just know the moment i heard about this i researched obsessively :lol:

how many <15 year olds do/did you know who want to try psychedelics but dont do any research? Because i actually have encountered way more 'adults' who take psychedelics without doing any research whatsoever

when I was 13 an older student told me togo to erowid.org. I never stopped reading.

 

[slewb]

Scientific Articles on DMT/Ayahuasca/Psychedelics - DMT Discussion - Welcome to the DMT-Nexus

In the 16th post there are a couple of pdfs dealing with ayahuasca use in adolescents, if it helps.

 

[Grand Equinox]

Thanks guys!

 

[Purges]

I started smoking at 10, drinking (to get drunk) at 12, weed at 15, Shrooms at 16, Ecstacy tablets at 17, Acid at 18, DMT at 25...

I don't think it's psys we need to worry about, it's the first 2 on my list. If I could take any of that^^ back, it would surely be the tobacco and alcohol. For the most part my experiences with psychedelics have been positive, although some advice on using Ecstacy (other than "it is bad / will kill you like it did Leah Betts" ) correctly would have saved me some bouts of depression and memory loss.

Such is the society we live in though :roll: