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Q21Q21's *NEW?* B/A/B Extraction TEK

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(SORRY FOR DOUBLE POST IN OTHER THREAD, BUT SWIM PROMISED TO POST BACK HERE)

SUP guys, SWIM finally got some WHITE crystals. SWIM thinks he has a new tek.

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Basically this is for people who want WHITE FLUFFY PURE DMT

It can work with an extraction but also to purify impure spice

WAY WAY WAY better than a carbonate wash.

SWIM has only got about .9% spice pull, but the bark is questionable (.5% with A/B or STB w/ Naptha), and TEK is still being worked out

SWIM is very confident this TEK will be able to pull 100% of the Spice all crystaline and white.

I'll just layout the general process as opposed to the specific times and stuff.

Take some MHRB and add ratio 1g/1g/15ml MHRB/LYE/WATER

SWIM uses hot tap water and a glass jar.

After SWIM is confident the bark has say long enough SWIM adds 2ml/1g Xylene/MHRB

SWIM shakes the bejesus out of the jar, SWIMS finds that it is easier to break an emulsion if it is seperated from the black slimy bark sludge.

SWIM lets the liquid sit and seperates it out with SWIM's own seperation tek (will write it in another post)

SWIM repeats with another 2ml xylene per g of MHRB

THIS IS THE KEY DIFFERENCE.

(IF purifying "dirty" freebase, start here, just evaporate it in xylene and go from this step)

SWIM doesn't let the xylene evapoprate (that is so boring)

SWIM adds some vinegar and water, ratio 1ml/4ml vinegar to water

Reason: Converts the freebase back to water soluble DMT-Acetate, but now not in bark sludge, but translucent yellow water.

SWIM hasn't tested how much vinegar is needed, but SWIM belives that at least 2x more vinegar water than xylene should be fine.

Of course SWIM thinks this is where he lost some of his yield because while he is evaporating the xylene he sees left-over bits, but xylene is taking it's sweet time to evaporate so swim doesn't know exactly if it contains any DMT, or just impurities

SWIM thinks that SWIY should try to pull the spice out of the xylene with 2 pull of vinegar water. SWIM hasn't tried this yet though

Then SWIM seperates the acidic water from the xylene, Technically there should be no DMT left in the xylene if done right.

After seperated from the xylene the acidic water is then basified to PH 14 and naptha is added to pull, 1ml per gram MHRB. 3-4 pulls

Also, there is in small issue with a foamy emulsion that has redish stuff in it. Despite the water and naptha being yellow.

SWIM just makes sure that none of it gets in the precipitation container. But SWIM is not sure whether it is "red jungle spice" or not


Anywho...

The naptha is separated, evaporated to <1/2 original volume and freezer precipitated as usual.

Can you say, fluffy white snowglobes?





Sorry for the wordyness and unsure numbers.

But SWIM just wanted to share this to see if anyone would like some white crystals who was getting yellow crap like swim.
EXAMPLE:
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Also this can be done in just a couple hours, then a night of precipitation. No long evaporation and all the yield
(At least more than SWIM was getting before)

If you use this TEK please PM me with the results and don't steal it, give me credit I pondered long about it.

Cheers peeps
 
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If you want a bigger yield your inital MHRB/Lye solution is going to have to soak for a couple of days to a week. Heat does accelerate the process but it's also the use of heat that pulls yellow spice in the first place.

A long cold soak needs way less purifacation.
 
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Macre said:
Thanks for posting. This sounds like a very interesting tek indeed. Does SWIY think turpentine can substitute xylene to achieve a similar result?

Macre.
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I have done a couple experiments with turpentine other that a pre extraction defat it is just to hard to get the PINESOL flavor out.

My Spice smelled like a Booth at a XXX PEEP SHOW that just got washed down by the attendant after some guy was in there for 45min.

I wont explain this but some will know what I mean. Turpentine has no place in my cup board maybe others have found it useful but not I

PEACE
MV
 
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In my method I used heavy naphta instead of xylene, as heavier aliphatic naphtas pull more alkaloid from the bark but can't be freeze precipitated. Then salt with citric acid, then base again and pull with light naphta or heptane, and freeze precip. The advantage to citric acid vs. vinegar would be that you can make the solution as acidic as needed, and don't need to use huge volumes of liquid.

Although after I started doing proper A/B with defats I've never looked back to STB:s or B/A/B:s... So now I use the citric for the acid phase of my A/B, do the defats with the heavy naphta (mainly because it's cheap) and pull & precip with light naphta or heptane.
 
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dread said:
The advantage to citric acid vs. vinegar would be that you can make the solution as acidic as needed, and don't need to use huge volumes of liquid.
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I prefer fumerate over both because you can dry it and store it nicely as is, which is especially good when working with larger amounts. Plus fumerate is great for dosing pharmahuasca.
 
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dread said:
Although after I started doing proper A/B with defats I've never looked back to STB:s or B/A/B:s... So now I use the citric for the acid phase of my A/B, do the defats with the heavy naphta (mainly because it's cheap) and pull & precip with light naphta or heptane.
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SWIM was wondering if this is really just that, a longer and slightly more complicated A/B w/ defat. But there is just something about pulling the naptha off the black sludge that seems impossible to get something pure

also SWIM only has access to ronsonol which DOES NOT dissolve spice at room temp. Although it does great at 60 degrees C. Could be a factor somehow...


Thanks for the feedback. Please PM me if you ever try the method peeps!
 
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SWIM has made a discovery since the first trial

The xylene needs at least 2 pulls with the vinagar. SWIM will try citric acid next time.

The xylene which was evaporated produced a quite large amount of remaining spice.
 
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Since first reading this post I have found a good source of xylene, and have decided completely against using turpentine in any extraction.

I'm expecting 100g of MHRB in the new year, the first half of which I shall be doing an A/B extraction. But after that I shall try this tek with the remaining 50g. I too think I will use citric acid.

Thank you for this post q21q21,

Macre.
 
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Macre said:
Since first reading this post I have found a good source of xylene, and have decided completely against using turpentine in any extraction.

I'm expecting 100g of MHRB in the new year, the first half of which I shall be doing an A/B extraction. But after that I shall try this tek with the remaining 50g. I too think I will use citric acid.

Thank you for this post q21q21,

Macre.
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If you have that much time until you extract, why not do your homework and find a good source of limonene? It works much better and smells nicer :)
 
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soulfood said:
If you have that much time until you extract, why not do your homework and find a good source of limonene? It works much better and smells nicer :)
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I shall get onto it straight away. Where would I be without you guys, thank you.

Macre.

*15 minutes later* I have now found a good source of d'limonene.
 
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d-limonene pulls an amazingly awesome alkaloid profile...i HIGHLY recommend testing the full extract with some maois as a pharma brew...you can do that by just evaporating your vinegar or however you plan on salting out the freebase from the d-limo
 
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soulfood said:
It's probably pretty damn good. Way better than naphtha and equal to or better than xylene.
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Excellent, thank you for clearing that up. I have had and read some sound advice within these pages, so I'm extremely happy. Looks like my planned extraction(s) may be happening sooner than January now too, in greater amounts also.

Peace and Thanks,

Macre.
 
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soulfood said:
If you're using this tek though, the salting of the solvent to get the alkaloids works as a defatting step anyway, as the fats will still be soluble in the solvent even when the alkaloids are not.
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Good point, I did wonder about that. My first extraction will be an A/B extraction, but I shall be using this tek for my second.

Also, how do find iso's performance when used for recrystallization?

Peace,

Macre.
 
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Thank you so much for your great advice,

soulfood said:
If you want a bigger yield your inital MHRB/Lye solution is going to have to soak for a couple of days to a week. Heat does accelerate the process but it's also the use of heat that pulls yellow spice in the first place.

A long cold soak needs way less purifacation.
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Would this also count during the acid phase of an A/B extraction?

Peace,

Macre.
 
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