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question about LSA/HBWR extract/dosage

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ibeing897

ibeing897

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OK so I heard a story about a guy who did an LSA extraction using naptha and acetone, he washed 10grams of Hawaii HBWR with naptha for 2 days, 2 cleans, each left for 24hrs, shook occasionally, dried thoroughly, then did 5 pulls with 50ml of acetone each time, each pull was left for a day, each cotton filtered, then 1 last one with 99% iso, got a yellow gum each time, the iso extract seemed to be different, it was slightly clearer... so anyway.. scrapped up into an amber jar, then a few days later, dissolved the whole lot into acetone... cotton filtered, evaporated to leave a harder golden wax... He hasn't weighed it because it's a mess, but it's basically an eraser head of golden gunk.... to his surprise there was a small blob of blue/green leftover in the acetone, I'm guessing this was impurities...

Here's my questions:
1. How did the acetone clean leave so much behind when it was pulled with acetone in the first place? not quite sure how that works...
2. I have no idea of the dosage now, because in theory he could've kept on pulling, but I think he got most of it... does anyone know how to dose this LSA? it would nice to dilute somehow but I don't know if he can get pure glycerine. effects per mg would be nice.
3. Is it worth doing the water filter clean? is it even possible to remove all the nausea causing oils?
4. Acetone was used instead of alcohol, results seemed good, but are there any theoretical differences in pulled alkaloids?
5. You know I'm still a bit perplexed about the effects of LSA, everything seems a bit vague with most accounts being with the raw seeds, getting tired of reading about the nausea, I have experienced that with morning glories years ago and all I can say is: no way...
 
still no answers on this one huh? I'm starting to think LSA has no real potential, just wish I had some vague idea about what to expect at what dosage.
 
lbeing789 said:
OK so I heard a story about a guy who did an LSA extraction using naptha and acetone, he washed 10grams of Hawaii HBWR with naptha for 2 days, 2 cleans, each left for 24hrs, shook occasionally, dried thoroughly, then did 5 pulls with 50ml of acetone each time, each pull was left for a day, each cotton filtered, then 1 last one with 99% iso, got a yellow gum each time, the iso extract seemed to be different, it was slightly clearer... so anyway.. scrapped up into an amber jar, then a few days later, dissolved the whole lot into acetone... cotton filtered, evaporated to leave a harder golden wax... He hasn't weighed it because it's a mess, but it's basically an eraser head of golden gunk.... to his surprise there was a small blob of blue/green leftover in the acetone, I'm guessing this was impurities...

Here's my questions:
1. How did the acetone clean leave so much behind when it was pulled with acetone in the first place? not quite sure how that works...
2. I have no idea of the dosage now, because in theory he could've kept on pulling, but I think he got most of it... does anyone know how to dose this LSA? it would nice to dilute somehow but I don't know if he can get pure glycerine. effects per mg would be nice.
3. Is it worth doing the water filter clean? is it even possible to remove all the nausea causing oils?
4. Acetone was used instead of alcohol, results seemed good, but are there any theoretical differences in pulled alkaloids?
5. You know I'm still a bit perplexed about the effects of LSA, everything seems a bit vague with most accounts being with the raw seeds, getting tired of reading about the nausea, I have experienced that with morning glories years ago and all I can say is: no way...
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1. Acetone dissolves LSA/LSH very well, but not a lot of the other junk present. Most of the actives are now in your acetone.
2. Dosage should be measured by the total amount of seeds extracted if you don’t know how concentrated it is. If you know how concentrated it is, you should start by using 500 micrograms and go up from there.
3. The water filter clean is worth it.
4. Acetone gets less junk than IPA and so it will be a stronger cleaner experience.
5. The nausea is still present with pure LSA/LSH if enough is taken, but the nausea normally felt from the seeds happens at a much lower dose and is much more unpleasant. An extraction is really the best way to go. It’s my understanding that the essential oils in the seeds cause most of the unpleasant effects on the stomach and so a water cleaning is a good idea.

You can do the water cleaning on the day you plan to use it. Just dissolve the extract in ice cold water with some ice in it (1 or 2 cubes), and mix thoroughly. Then filter it through a cotton ball. Don’t use vacuum filtration, just let the mix go through the cotton on it’s own. Don’t squeeze the cotton ball at the end to get the last bit out, because that will defeat the purpose of the cleanup step by causing essential oils to come out of the cotton and get back into the water. So just discard the cotton ball without squeezing it.
 
Note that the Cold Water Extraction method (known as CWE) is often done wrong, and so people often report bad experiences from it. The whole purpose of the CWE is to dissolve the LSH and LSA without dissolving the fats and oils. People often extract into the water and then also consume the seeds. That’s a sure fire way of it failing. The other thing they will do wrong is filter through a coffee filter. That’s a bad idea. A coffee filter is very thin and can’t catch the oils and fats that well, some of which are slightly soluble in water. You should always use a cotton ball for filtration when using a CWE and never apply a vacuum, let it gravity filter. The cotton ball has a ton of fibers present to grab onto the oils. It’s think so the oils have a lot further to go to get through the cotton, and so most of it gets stuck to the cotton rather than passing through it, even the slightly water soluble oils tend to prefer sticking to the cotton than passing through it. The cotton acts sort of like a mini chromatography column catching a lot of stuff that is not so water soluble, while a coffee filter just filters out solids. At the end of filtration, DO NOT SQUEEZE THE COTTON BALL, just discard it.

Also, I recommend using peppermint tea and a little lemon juice when using the extract, but not during extraction. This will greatly improve the experience. Check out the LSH thread for more details on this.
 
Thanks Ron, that's really helpful stuff...probably wouldn't have done the last water filter otherwise, but the good news is that I did read you mention the oil thing before and swims friend used a glass funnel/cotten filter with no pressure for all the filters. Unfortunately the weight was known but not the number of seeds... I think I can probably work it out.
 
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