Question about Vaping DMT with Tank Atomizer

[godisenergy]

Hey there,

Would vaporizing DMT suspended in PG using a tank atomizer degrade it inside? Thought process is as follows:

Since the DMT/PG inside the tank is in such close proximity with the coil, the heat that is used to vaporize the DMT/PG would chemically alter the DMT solution, giving us the appearance of a DMT/PG solution that would get redder and darker.

Anyone have any experience or knowledge to drop? And if this question is redundant, please redirect me as appropriate. Thanks!

 

[ducdevil]

Whether in the tank or in a storage vial, I have noticed a darkening of the solution over time. I have not, however, noticed any significant degradation or change in "character".

I should add that my solution is a 50/50% VG/PG blend. I cannot stand vaping pure PG. No vapor, and quite harsh.

 

[godisenergy]

Ah, thx thx.

Are you still able to dissolve 1 gram of DMT into 1ml of the 50:50 mix of PG/VG like people say they can
with 100% PG?

 

[Hiyo Quicksilver]

If your coil is in direct contact with the fluid in the tank, then something is wrong. Most tank rigs (Even RTAs and RDTAs) are meant to be used with a pre-built coil encased in a wick... It you're using one of those cheap chinese/russian tankomizers with the bare coils, you get what you paid for (But I don't think anyone uses those anymore).

The vaporization of the fluid is all you need to keep temperature in check; Make sure the wick is moist (plug your air intake and dry puff with NO HEAT), and vape normally at the highest voltage you can use without getting a burned DMT or cotton taste.
Unless you're just burning the coil with no airflow, the cool air running through the coil/wick will be enough to keep the fluid in the tank relatively cool. Your battery will literally heat up the fluid in the tank more than the coil will.

The best tool to use is of course a TC mod, which allows more precise control over the temperature of the coil. I use an Aspire Pegasus, which can control the temperature relative to ambient air temp and humidity as well, which provides absolutely consistent results every time, indoors or out.

Of course, if you're using an RDA or another design in which air flows *over* the wick rather than *through* it, then you're in for a very, very tedious process of temp control. Since you're using a tank rig, though... You're just fine.
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Dissolving DMT in VG sucks... Actually dissolving nearly anything in VG sucks because VG is a pain in the ass to work with. I'd suggest dissolving your dose 1g/100ml in pure, warm PG, and then adding back your desired VG. I like 80/20, as it gives the vapor some body without diluting too much.

 

[ducdevil]

ok, so in the "old days"...of tiny tanks and inefficient coils, that was the ratio that was required for some effect with minimum puffs. now, with a sub ohm coil on a high airflow tank, that ratio would be ridiculously overkill. two puffs, even just one are all that are needed now.

1:6 ratio is superb (250mg per 1.5ml of juice) is very good and will not disappoint. if you are insistent, a 1:4 is ok too, but be careful. a 1:1 ratio with a good sub ohm tank could feasibly give you 100mg puffs. i am guessing this is not what you want, plus the taste would be ghastly.

i should add that 1.5ml of juice is a ***tiny*** amount of liquid. make sure you use something that you won't lose any juice on the sides of the container you mix it in. mixing 500mg to 3ml of juice is more practical.

find a juice you like...a nice flavor - 60/40 or 50/50 blend, 0% nicotine, warm the juice in a waterbath, dissolve the juice, load the tank, wait 15 minutes or so for the coil/cotton to saturate and prepare yourself.

remember, this is a fantastically efficient ROA - the downside is it is nearly impossible to dose.

safe travels

 

[Hiyo Quicksilver]

With a sub-ohm coil, even a simple 20-30W rig, a 1:6 ratio is just fine for a bit of reverie, or timid exploration... Or if your own breakthrough dose is 5-10mgs.

If you want the thing to hit like a proper pipe, delivering 10-20mgs per hit, a 1:6 ratio is far too meager, even with a good rig... Also, I personally can only operate at 20W (Aspire Pegasus v2 with Triton tank and standard sub-ohm Aspire coils)... Otherwise, the vapor is too dense even with a 80/20 PG/VG blend for me to hold for the classically recommended 20-30 seconds (which is ideal for me)...

And my old leather lungs are pretty tough. Plus, holding vapor gives me a wicked cough and (unsurprisingly) too much fluid accumulation in the lungs to be comfortable during the trip.

These days I gave up the VG (which holds more water in the vapor), and use 800mgs/1ml pure PG and DMT, no flavor or vegetable glycerin... I blow through the air intake while firing the mod until a thick plume forms and clearly smells of DMT, and then toke it twice with 20-30 second holds. This hits me about as hard as a comfortable toke from a glass dick.
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I dunno what you're doing with 6:1... Playtime? Use at parties/festis? Toking while driving? Dosing your cat?

...You know that mushrooms exist, right?

 

[godisenergy]

lol duly noted

Time for some experimentation... :twisted:

 

[ducdevil]

hey there Hiyo Quick....

so, there's the rub. the more wattage, the more vapor produced. the more vapor produced, well..obviously the greater a dose can be administered. yet - to each is own. running a smaller wattage device not only produces less vapor, but (this is important), the device is running at its top capacity and therefore less efficiently. like having a stereo that has 10watts and turning it up all the way and getting distortion, as opposed to having a 200watt unit using only a fraction of it. "crystal" clear...

i would rather have a slightly weaker concentration and run at 60-80 watts; i assure you that with a "meager" concentration, blast off is more than available in only two puffs. the spice will not burn in the carrier fluid, so high wattage is key.

FWIW, i don't like to "put all my spice in one basket", as it were. if one mixes just 1ml with a massive concentration, and for some reason the tank leaks, breaks, is lost, etc....well there goes the whole lot of it. that is always a tragedy to lose the "precious"....i've had that happen - a tank i had thought reliable had a seal break (this happens) and i came to find all of the juice ran out the air flow holes. all lost.

anyway - this is truly a personal preference and takes some trial and error. i always suggest starting small and working up as the technique becomes more familiar. sort-of like how we advise new folks extracting NOT to start with a 1kg project!

as i said, to each his own.

rock on

 

[godisenergy]

Good point by all...

I guess I was more worried about the heat coming from the coil, and how that might degrade the spice. But after reading up about shelf life on this forum, I should probably load the tank sparingly. Definitely gonna try both the 1:6 and 1:1 mixes tho! XD

 

[UgraKarma]

Wouldn't using an RDA resolve dosing issues? I'm sure you can determine 'X drops / eyedropperfuls = X mg DMT' with pretty specific accuracy. Strikes me as less of a gamble than hoping for the best with tanks (and also is probably lighter on waste in the long run.)

I'd think that a heavy-duty coil (a clapton or something of the sort,) with very minimal wicking (I'm thinking trimming the cotton almost right to the coil) would work more consistently and effectively. The major downside would be the learning curve associated with setting it up in the first place, if it were all new to you.

EDIT: Apologies if this is tangential to the original question, I'll leave the post here for the time being.

 

[some one]

Red color = DMT-oxide? Makes sense.