Question regarding integration.

[Eternity]

Hey everyone,

I would like to address a question to the more experienced voyagers in this community regarding the integration of intense experiences and subsequent administration of the spice.

I have recently been struggling with a multitude of questions that have arisen following my most recent experience with DMT. I have found that I am beginning to look inwards more and more on a daily basis in situations where normally I would not do so. An example of this would be analyzing negative emotions as they surface. By this I mean identifying exactly what I am feeling, what prompted the emotion, what are the consequences if I continue in this state of negativity, how I can look at the situation in a more positive light now and in the future, and the benifits associated with doing this. This inevitably leads to more questions such as "Who is the me experiencing the emotion?" and "Why am I (whatever 'I' is) affected by this situation?". Of course I have many other questions, and this leads us to my reason for asking for advice.


Question 1: Integration period and re-entry into hyperspace.

I am desperatly searching to understand exactly what happened during my experience, and have been plying through countless books, articles, and forum posts on subjects such as shamanism, quantum physics, philosophy, etc. I believe that my experience had a purpose, and this was to allow me to accept unconditionally that time is relative to the observer. I must emphasize however that I am in no way positive that this was the lesson, and I am experiencing some fear (ableit managable I believe) at the thought of going back in. How then do I know when I have integrated an experience and am ready to re-enter hyperspace? Are there any dangers associated with premature re-entry having not fully comprehended what happened?


Question 2: Possible existance of negative entites or "Evil Spirits".

My second question regards various ideas that I have been reading over in what I must say are more "esoteric" sources, more specifically Shamanism. It seems to be the general understanding that when transversing the upper/lower realms there are both good and evil spirits. I would like to know your opinions on whether this is the case and whether these "spirits" can actually hurt you in any way. If this is the general concensus (and the prospect has me second guessing whether I should go back in without some more research, to say the least) would some of you be so kind as to point me in the direction of some material detailing how to defend yourself against these spirits, or as some have termed them "negative entities". How does this theory relate to the idea of surrendering to the experience?

 

[gibran2]

Spending time reflecting on and integrating an experience is a sign of respect – respect toward yourself and your needs, and respect toward the experience itself. I believe that the best way to say “thank you” for the experience is to take sufficient time to make it fully a part of you.

Feeling fear about going back is something we all feel to some degree at some times. I remind myself that the fear is natural – it’s source is as much from by body as it is my mind. Acknowledging that I’m giving my whole self to the experience - focusing on the giving rather that the getting, helps put me at ease.

I can’t comment regarding negative entities. I’ve never encountered entities that I would consider negative.

 

[88]

Hi there, eternity.

I've had dealings with negative entities. After reflection and some reading, I came to the conclusion they were manifestations of something within me; a sickness, if you like. They appeared as a living black oil of pure need; like a black sea of pirhanas, trying to get into my mouth. This is, according to some report I read (apologies for not finding the link) one way in which illness can appear to shaman - as black oiliness.

However, I wrote a report in this regard a while back, and another one, if you're interested in how I dealt with this stuff at the time.

All journeys are idiosyncratic; but perhaps this may help you.

safe travels, friend

 

[endlessness]

do your part in daily life, you know, be good to others, eat good, exercise, clean your room, and no bad entities can hurt ya

 

[gammagore]

Negative entities/evil spirits

a few weeks ago I encountered what I believe was an entity going about hyperspace eating the place up, he was a jimjam fox kinda dude, and I got a strong feeling that he was doing no good to hyperspace.

Thats about the only time ive encountered a negative force from that place.

In no way did it have any negative effect on my daily life.

 

[Felnik]

Its so interesting when I first started down this path I too was wrought with questions . I would comb through books on a wide range of disiplines . I even bought a microscope to study things at that level hoping to make a connection and perhaps shed some light on the hyperspace realm that was so new to me. The deeper I go the more questions arise although I feel much more in check with it at this point. I think its good to sit and ponder a strong experience before venturing back . It is a sign, as someone pointed out of respect and comittment to the whole process.

I have on rare occasion encountered some mischievous entities of a sort. I seem to run into things that are like sentinels at the gate that have prevented me from moving further into hyperspace. Nothing really negative or ominous. I have also had some blackish experiences too. I realized somewhere along the line that there isn't anything that will hurt me. I came to this after alot of experimenting. The fear that does come up seems to be related to the intense power of the stuff and wether or not I'm ready in a given moment for what it will deliver.
Over time with practice you will build a relationship with it and reach a basic level of understanding. You will learn to know thyself better than you ever thought possible.

 

[endlessness]

also its all about not identifying with one's visions and not making value-judgements about it... if one sees skulls, worms, angry entities or whatever, just let it flow, it doesnt have to mean bad or threatening..

 

[maxzar100]

I have never come across a negative entity in my ayahuasca journeys. All of the creatures I saw, including one time, on fryahuasca, my unconscious self.

There were, however some difficult encounters, but I maintained the mindset that these beings all have something to tell me, to show me.

Don't try so hard to understand what you saw man, some things we will never know, all we can do is appreciate them.

Until you appreciate your trip for what it was, you might have difficulties going back to visit the spirits, you will not have the confidence needed.

 

[Steely]

Wow. I've said this many times in my short two days on this forum; I am continually amazed by the community, their responses, and their incredible insight on this experience.

SWIM has had fear ever since he began studying this, but I know for sure, thanks to reading this thread, that he is ready. This next week is going to be an intense waiting game. Saturday or Sunday the supplies come in and four days (If all goes well) afterwards it will be complete. Although.. The longer he waits the more nervous he becomes. This is getting very hard and he hasn't even taken a hyperspace journey yet!

 

[Eternity]

Spending time reflecting on and integrating an experience is a sign of respect – respect toward yourself and your needs, and respect toward the experience itself. I believe that the best way to say “thank you” for the experience is to take sufficient time to make it fully a part of you.

Thank you for your opinion on this, it seems like very solid and tangible advice. I agree that it is a good idea to let things sink in over time. I was curious to know if there is something that clicks in your mind that can be compared to a "wow" or a sigh of relief that can be used as a guide post indicating that you are ready? The reason I ask is because I have read many accounts on this forum of individuals who consume the spice in one form or another on a weekly, if not daily basis. Because of my life style, I am unable to have any exposure to the substance for a month at a time, and was wondering if it could be taken in such marathon sessions, and the the whole lot of it meditated on at a later time. Although this has a feel of "rushing things", something which I am not very fond of, it is a substantial concern for me due to the reason I mentioned.

Hi there, eternity.

I've had dealings with negative entities. After reflection and some reading, I came to the conclusion they were manifestations of something within me; a sickness, if you like. They appeared as a living black oil of pure need; like a black sea of pirhanas, trying to get into my mouth. This is, according to some report I read (apologies for not finding the link) one way in which illness can appear to shaman - as black oiliness.

However, I wrote a report in this regard a while back, and another one, if you're interested in how I dealt with this stuff at the time.

All journeys are idiosyncratic; but perhaps this may help you.

safe travels, friend

88, I thoroughly read over your reports, and I must say that I found them very educational and informative. Thank you! I believe that I will make it part of my practice to feel gratitude of whats happening at all times during the experience as you indicated, no matter how horrific it may seem to my untrained mind. I will also focus on maintaining this approach post-experience in the hope that it will help in the integration phase. Furthermore, I will keep reminding myself of my intention, and how much I have wanted and chosen this path along with everything it entails (including the psychedelic boogiemen ).

I realized somewhere along the line that there isn't anything that will hurt me. I came to this after alot of experimenting. The fear that does come up seems to be related to the intense power of the stuff and wether or not I'm ready in a given moment for what it will deliver.
Over time with practice you will build a relationship with it and reach a basic level of understanding. You will learn to know thyself better than you ever thought possible.

Thank you for the re-assurance my friend. I will keep this in mind as I travel.

also its all about not identifying with one's visions and not making value-judgements about it... if one sees skulls, worms, angry entities or whatever, just let it flow, it doesnt have to mean bad or threatening..

Great advice endlessness. This was my original mindset when beginning my exploration of DMT space, however, I unfortunately seem to forget it while in the experience. I will take your words to heart and try to apply them next time. I would be curious to know (on a completely different subject) if you, being a very experienced traveler, could tell me whether a breakthrough dose should be pursued always when self administrating the spice, or whether sub-breakthrough doses and threshold doses have their place in understanding your psyche and effecting a thorough analysis of yourself. This would be in the aim of using vaporized spice not just to become a silent witness to hyperspace, but as a device to further 'know thy self' and for training your mind to be still when exploring the more intense breakthrough experience.

Don't try so hard to understand what you saw man, some things we will never know, all we can do is appreciate them.

Until you appreciate your trip for what it was, you might have difficulties going back to visit the spirits, you will not have the confidence needed.

Thank you very much for this advice. I will definitely try to shift my perspective from one of awe, shock, and apprehension to one of appreciation, and, as I mentioned earlier, gratitude.

 

[gibran2]

Thank you for your opinion on this, it seems like very solid and tangible advice. I agree that it is a good idea to let things sink in over time. I was curious to know if there is something that clicks in your mind that can be compared to a "wow" or a sigh of relief that can be used as a guide post indicating that you are ready? The reason I ask is because I have read many accounts on this forum of individuals who consume the spice in one form or another on a weekly, if not daily basis. Because of my life style, I am unable to have any exposure to the substance for a month at a time, and was wondering if it could be taken in such marathon sessions, and the the whole lot of it meditated on at a later time. Although this has a feel of "rushing things", something which I am not very fond of, it is a substantial concern for me due to the reason I mentioned.

I don’t get any conscious sign that it’s time to visit again, I get a vague (sometimes not vague) awareness that it’s time. How often you partake is a very personal choice (as I’ve recently learned when I questioned this ).

If you feel ready to go back, then you’re ready.

 

[lerpoxel]

Its a good thing u began to be more aware of your own feelings. Thats essentially the goal of meditation and other spiritual ways; to be aware of everything and see the "real" world.
Just try to also be aware more of your positive feelings

The most important sentence for me is "To be reborn one has to die first". It always reminds me of the feelings i had when i lost a loved one and at the same time reminds me that its possible to go on with life even what has been done can never be undone.

p.s.

sorry for digging this up but i think this thread is read worthy.