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Questions on upcoming Chaliponga extraction

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Hello all. SWIM is planning an up and coming extraction of Chaliponga and has some questions on the best way to go about it. First off.

Equipment on hand: 2L, 1L, 250ml separatory funnels; 5L, 1L, 500ml filtering flasks, vacuum oven and pump; funnels, PH strips, nasal aspirators, syringes, jars, cotton balls, etc

Chemicals on hand: Heptane, DCM, naptha, citric acid, vinegar, sodium carbonate, lye, 91% isopropyl alcohol, elemental zinc

Questions:

SWIM intends to extract at least 1 pound of Chaliponga using acid/base. The first question is where can SWIM get some high power Chaliponga? SWIM has everything else ready but just needs this to begin and would like to purchase from a good supplier preferably in the U.S. Second how much water acidified to what PH and with what should SWIM use? How many times will get most the goods? Should SWIM use isopropyl alcohol? What about first getting the Chali wet then freeze/thawing first? What volume should SWIM reduce the initial extraction to? Should SWIM defat? With what and how much? Could SWIM skip the defat, basify then convert back to acid salt, then basify again? Should SWIM add the elemental zinc to the initial acid phase or wait to the product has been cleaned up and recrystallized then add to whatever is left over. How much DCM should be used after basifying and how many pulls for how long? I think that is most of my questions. I would also like to try separating the 5-MEO-DMT as it is a long time favorite. Which I haven't been able to get since the golden age of research chemicals. SWIM successful extracted STB from mimosa this summer but is very interested in Chaliponga. Any advice to help make this extraction go smoothly would be very appreciated. Thanks.
 
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SWIM did a classic A/B with chaliponga leaves (freeze precip). He did a defat and gathered few mg (140) of nice quite white powder. He expected some 5Meo but bio-assays were not really different from spice from MHRB, maybe he even preferred slightly colored MHRB spice. Well, that chali spice was however quite good and very clean to smoke.
Later SWIM did a STB on the remaining leaves and gather few more mg (160) of very yellow-green spice not tested yet.
The amount of spice from chaliponga is very low compared to MHRB and it was a pain to reduce leaves in small pieces.
SWIM is somehow disapointed by his chaliponga.

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I'm considering trying a psychotria viridis extraction too. I might buy a pound of each. I'd just like to buy from a good vendor that someones recently bought from. I'm thinking of building a bucket still soxhlet cold finger extractor to due the extract the phase with. By putting a metal bowl on top of a 5 gallon bucket, an adjusted fish tank heater in the bottom, and a strainer with filter paper inside to hold the material to be extracted. Either that or building a soxhlet type extractor out of 4 inch plumbinh pipe and my 5L filtering flask. A pound seems like it's going to need a of solvent which will pain to boil down. I'm still wondering what the best solvent would be alochol or water.
 
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Spent over a month experimenting with chaliponga, various extractions, in the end i found these changes to basic teks were requied:

- chop the chaliponga nicecly, just 'covering the leaves' as some people recommend does not work nearly as well if your chali comes tighly bundled as it often is. Chop it like salad. Stire and squeeze the heck out of it in boil to get the juices flowing through it.

- defat twice with dcm (do not skip this part, do not defat with naptha, if you do this part poorly, your spice will be green and weak and taste like spinnach) DCM sinks, and it is potent as heck, but it works. I like that it sinks actually, pouring off the top is a cinch.

- u don't have to bring the ph as high to extract, i read about 10-11 somewhere and that worked best.

After all was said and done, spice was white and crystal fluffy and yield was 1%. I was trying to retain alkaloids other than dmt (5meo) while removing chloryphyl to obtain yellowish spice from the chali but i couldn't, it was green or white. I intended to isolate 5meo but did not use enough at one extraction to try that however i did notice with small amounts of this spice, i could not feel dmt perse, but felt something similar to it... 5meo? The visions were more 2-dimensional, larger, and less colorful... like floating shapes without nearly the 'quantm fractal' qualities of nn, more 'ghost-like', and it make me more sedated like a zombine watching ghosts above him, than propelled and europric. Big hits of chali white spice were similar to big hits of mhrb white.

Anyone...Was that 'ghost feeling' and non-color visions 5meo? I only recognized the difference after using mhrb again and this on low doses is not palpatable with mhrb but it could be my imagination in reverse conjuring up memories than didn't really happen (i take nothing for granted anymore when it comes to consciousness, memory and experience!)
 
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flyboy said:
Spent over a month experimenting with chaliponga, various extractions, in the end i found these changes to basic teks were requied:

- chop the chaliponga nicecly, just 'covering the leaves' as some people recommend does not work nearly as well if your chali comes tighly bundled as it often is. Chop it like salad. Stire and squeeze the heck out of it in boil to get the juices flowing through it.

- defat twice with dcm (do not skip this part, do not defat with naptha, if you do this part poorly, your spice will be green and weak and taste like spinnach) DCM sinks, and it is potent as heck, but it works. I like that it sinks actually, pouring off the top is a cinch.

- u don't have to bring the ph as high to extract, i read about 10-11 somewhere and that worked best.

After all was said and done, spice was white and crystal fluffy and yield was 1%. I was trying to retain alkaloids other than dmt (5meo) while removing chloryphyl to obtain yellowish spice from the chali but i couldn't, it was green or white. I intended to isolate 5meo but did not use enough at one extraction to try that however i did notice with small amounts of this spice, i could not feel dmt perse, but felt something similar to it... 5meo? The visions were more 2-dimensional, larger, and less colorful... like floating shapes without nearly the 'quantm fractal' qualities of nn, more 'ghost-like', and it make me more sedated like a zombine watching ghosts above him, than propelled and europric. Big hits of chali white spice were similar to big hits of mhrb white.

Anyone...Was that 'ghost feeling' and non-color visions 5meo? I only recognized the difference after using mhrb again and this on low doses is not palpatable with mhrb but it could be my imagination in reverse conjuring up memories than didn't really happen (i take nothing for granted anymore when it comes to consciousness, memory and experience!)
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That's exactly what a mix of 5-MeO-DMT and DMT is like. If you take out the DMT, the trip is actually nicer, in SWIM's opinion.

5-MeO-DMT mixed with DMT produces those kinds of visuals that you described. But on its own, the trip is mostly must psychological and euphoric.

Try taking your extract under your tongue instead of smoking it. Use about three times as much that way. You’ll see exactly what 5-MeO-DMT is like. The DMT won’t absorb under your tongue but the 5-MeO-DMT will. It’s pretty nice that way.
 
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DMT absorbs very poorly sublingually. I’ve never heard of anyone getting effects from it that way. DMSO helps it absorb sublingually though. Using 20 mg of DMT in DMSO, SWIM was able to feel it very slightly, but can't feel it without the DMSO.

5-MeO-DMT you can easily feel at 2 mg sublingually on it's own. It's almost as potent as smoking it, but a far nicer experience. More like acid that way, and lasts about an hour instead of 15 minutes.

Sublingual 5-MeO-DMT is one of SWIM's favorite experiences. SWIM’s 3 favorites are DMT orally with harmine, 5-HO-DMT (bufotenine) smoked, and 5-MeO-DMT sublingually. All for different reasons. DMT orally is a full psychedelic, while 5-MeO-DMT is just a mental psychedelic, and 5-HO-DMT is just visual without mental effects.
 
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