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Quetchua and/or Shipibo snuff called 'changa'

blig-blug said:
Caapi was consumed before sniffing a yopo snuff, but I haven't found any source confirming that the snuffs themselves contained caapi. They only mention it as an unconfirmed possibility (see above), and I think it's likely that over time that has been distorted into "they for sure did".
Do you have any source for snuffs containing caapi? I haven't found any yet.
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Sorry no…I should have been more clear. No idea if they mixed the 2 into one snuff my point was more that they do tend to snort stuffs(like psychotria extract) so the idea of such a snuff mixture would seem not surprising…
 
Lurker here feeling to post.
I have heard of Shipibo refer to some sacred plant traditions as Changa. And that was maybe 2003.

2019 Shipibo made piece of artwork referencing 'Changa'. I don't think they mean Palmers mix


Here is a very rare and special manta cloth, representing Changa, made by the very well known Maestra Mathilde Gomez Sanchez. Mathilde is a an ayahuasquera and vegetalista of the Shipibo tribe from the Contamana region, and is part of a long lineage of curanderas/curanderos. This manta was hand-embroidered by her and members of her family under her supervision.

The very special thing about mantas made by Maestra Mathilde is that they all contain the visual representations of icaros of medicinal plants, received during dietas or ayahuasca ceremonies. The plant is indicated by a tag that is pinned to the manta (easily removable).
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Also heard they do snuff caapi with other plants. Somebody ask the Shipibo.
 
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Given the lack of responses to the sock tec that I had shared earlier in this thread, it would seem that people didn’t take my post seriously, perhaps even mistaking it for a joke. If that is indeed the case, all I can say is that until you’ve broken through to the hyperfoot realm, you haven’t experienced the full spectrum of what psychedelics (and socks) have to offer.
 
The way I see it, there are two separate things at play in this claim. One is whether changa, or the mix, or the use of herbs infused with DMT and harmalas, in whatever form, was something that already existed before Palmer claimed he invented it. The answer to that is yes. That has been shown, and the proof is in the other threads the @The Traveler mentioned.

The second claim is that he invented the name for this mix. That point is still disputed, but it seems unlikely. There are multiple people saying he did not invent the name, and only one person, Julian, saying he did. Given that imbalance, it makes the claim unlikely.

Taken together, this makes me think the conclusion currently leans toward Julian Palmer not having invented changa, but rather having spent his life building a marketing narrative around the idea that he did.

What I’m wondering is why the OP in this thread wants to know. If the goal is to change the Wikipedia page, that could actually be done fairly easily by showing that the cited “proof” is not really proof. The references ultimately trace back to statements by Julian Palmer himself, quoted or repeated by others, without independent verification. Because of that, there is effectively no solid evidence there. You could simply start an editing process and point this out, if you wanted to. Add the evidence about the smoking mixes and you have a fairly good chance.
 
I don't care much about the changa wikipedia page, it's not the only one with superficial and incorrect informations. Especially if you look at italian wikipedia.
I'm writing an article myself on my blog and, even if it was clear for me that Palmer didn't invent nothing at all, i thought he at least named it before researching the topic here.
Most of the media in Italy where i live are just sponsoring him, his book about changa sold more in Italy than elsewhere.
BTW thanks anyone for the contributions.
 
visionecura91 said:
Most of the media in Italy where i live are just sponsoring him, his book about changa sold more in Italy than elsewhere.
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It sounds like Palmer’s imperial shamanic ambitions have taken root in Italy, and may yet spread to other parts of Europe. Therefore, it is imperative that we stop the spread of misinformation before it is too late. The time is nigh for everyone to get on the same page and recognize who the true inventor of changa is - do I even need to say it?
 
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