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Ram Dass and Tim Leary

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I've recently discovered the spiritual teachings of Ram Dass and found a very interesting video of him visiting Timothy Leary during the final stages of life. The video is about an hour long. If anything at least check out the last 10 minutes.... they are priceless!
Crazy to think that these two men were the one's who initiated the counter-culture movement; and listening to them laugh it up over Leary 1st giving mushrooms to Ram Dass - just makes it sound so simple.
 
Dont forget about Metzner, he was one of the 3...I like Ralph Metzner more than Ram Dass..and i love Leary i dont blame him for one single second..same with Lilly
 
fractal enchantment said:
Dont forget about Metzner, he was one of the 3...I like Ralph Metzner more than Ram Dass..and i love Leary i dont blame him for one single second..same with Lilly
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I have mixed feelings about Leary, but for the most part he helped change the world for the better. He probably got LSD made illegal because of his lectures and books making LSD so popular. But if he wasn't so outspoken about the wonders of psychedelics, my life would not be the same. I owe a lot of thanks to Leary for speaking up like he did.

I see Sloan, the owner of BBB, in a similar light as Leary. Sloan started getting active about spreading the word of psychedelic plants. He helped a lot of people. I know some people think he did this for profit, but I don’t believe he did. I believe Sloan took huge risks, much larger than any risk Leary ever took, all for the same goal: turn people on to psychedelics to help the world.

It’s a shame that such great people are attacked by the governments of the world. Leary spent many years in prison because of his views on psychedelics. Now it’s possible Sloan will face the same. Seeing good people get treated so badly is such a shame.
 
Nono..lets not place blame where blame is not deserved...

I dont know how people can blame people like leary for the illegality of these things..this blame belongs to the fine people behind organizations like the FDA and the DEA..these are the people that choose to give in to feelings of fear and paranoia over the possible loss of controll they think they have over the minds of the human population...

To blame people like leary is like avoiding the reality of the situation..I know that you know this ron i just hate hearing about any blmae being placed on peopel who stand up for their rights and try to spread a message that they believe in.
 
Leary was great...way ahead of his time. I heard he had to take a psychology test in jail that he actually had designed, and anwsered so that out of tons of personalities he was determined to be dependant and insecure so that he would be placed in lower security, thus escaping :lol:
 
true leary was a great man , quite articulate , a genious at his linguistic ability , same goes for Terrence Mckenna , both these men had a amazing magical quality to their voice , its a shame i was not born in the golden era of psychadelics ,
i wish we could have men of such intelligence and sincerity these days hopefully we will with people like dr rick strassman and others henceforth
 
Leary stole the show from the smarter people in the early psychedelic movement and drove it into the ground (the national headlines and no not in a good way) to feed his ego. I thank leary for nothing.
 
mumbles said:
Leary stole the show from the smarter people in the early psychedelic movement and drove it into the ground (the national headlines and no not in a good way) to feed his ego. I thank leary for nothing.
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I partly agree with that, but Leary also changed me for the better FOREVER, and I'm thankful for that. Had he not been so forceful about his views, I think most people would not have tried LSD when it was still legal to do so.
 
Think about it...
What ended the vietnam war?..look at womens rights..all the great things that came out of the 60's..i doubt that would have happened if leary had not been involved...

I dont see him as steeling the show from the "smart people" at all(really leary was quite intelligent have you read his books?)..all those "smart people" doing thier little hidden away research weren't going to take that torch and spread that experience to the masses..and yet..it needed to be done it seems..

Would we even be here on this website right now if it wasnt for what leary did?
 
Jin said:
true leary was a great man , quite articulate , a genious at his linguistic ability , same goes for Terrence Mckenna , both these men had a amazing magical quality to their voice , its a shame i was not born in the golden era of psychadelics ,
i wish we could have men of such intelligence and sincerity these days hopefully we will with people like dr rick strassman and others henceforth
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Leary and McKenna were both wonderful people, but they were just people like you and me. People who speak so badly of Leary or McKenna should have learned from their own psychedelic journeys that nobody is perfect and that we all have our faults. I agree with you Jim that they were both great men.

But I have to disagree with you Jin about not being born in the Golden Era of Psychedelics. I think THIS is the golden age of psychedelics. I grew up through the 60's and experienced the old "golden age" first hand, and I have to tell you that the more recent discoveries of use and extraction of freebase DMT use are quite a bit more wonderful than dropping acid ever was. Also, we have an incredible online community here that we didn't have back then. Back then, we had only small circles or friends in which we felt comfortable with discussing these things. Now we have this great online community with which to learn and share such information.

Revel in what we have today Jin! I'm glad to be able to converse with folks like you here.
 
69ron said:
clouds said:
fractal enchantment said:
Would we even be here on this website right now if it wasnt for what leary did?
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I doubt it.
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I would not, that's for sure.
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Would this page even exist if it wasn't for Leary and McKenna?
Rick Strassman says that he did his research without even knowing/caring about what Terence said. We all know that is a lie.
Of course Dr. Strassman knew about the "machine elves". Both Rick and Terence knew about each other.

Proof:

Title: Terence McKenna quoting Dr. Rick Strassman (short clip)
Duration: 0:35
 
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What did this Leary guy do that was so special I dont even know who he is.
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He made LSD popular in the mainstream back in the 60's. Many people love him or hate him for doing that.
Some people say that was the right thing to do... others think that it should have never escaped the labs.
 
The fact that you even know what LSD is, is mostly due to Leary. Without Leary’s enthusiasm for LSD, LSD would likely have been just some research chemical people would have long forgotten about by now.

Leary went around the world giving lectures on the benefits of LSD. He wrote many books on it. He gave it to many college students when it was still legal. He got people excited about it.

Leary really had nothing to benefit from it personally. He believed LSD would transform the world into a better place and felt obligated to spread the word to as many people as possible. He strongly believed that by getting the masses to try LSD, the world would be a better place. And he was right. Most people changed for the better after using LSD, and this has impacted the entire world.

The authorities only saw the negative reports. But with the few negative reports, there were thousands of positive reports. People literally changing overnight from a single use of LSD and becoming better people from it was a reality. A few had bad experiences, but most did not. It was less that 1% that actually had bad effects from LSD.

The fact that LSD was causing people to protest and want to change the world around them, go the government of the USA extremely paranoid that a possible revolution was on the brink, so they tried to put an end to LSD use.
 
69ron said:
clouds said:
fractal enchantment said:
Would we even be here on this website right now if it wasnt for what leary did?
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I doubt it.
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I would not, that's for sure.
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Same here. It was much due to Leary and Osley that I was introduced to psychedelics in the 60's and I helped to spread the word to others as we all do. Blame leary for talking about LSD??? If spreading the word is bad, then we're all to blame and we should all stop talking....how ridiculous that would be, then the dark side would totally win.
 
mumbles said:
Check out Ram Das's book Be Here Now. The second section contains a lot of trippy images relating to Das' ideas on spirituality. Can't recommend it enough really. http://dmt-nexus.me/Files/Books/General/be_here_now2.pdf
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Thank you for posting that link. I'm reading it now, and it is just amazing.

This particularly resonates with me:

'The understanding of the possibility may have come to you directly through the experience itself or: you may have reasoned & reasoned until you saw the peculiar position that rational man is in & you realized that there must be something else although you have not experienced it. You just infer the presence of "SOMETHING ELSE".

It doesn't quite make sense, nothing "turns you on", you haven't experienced it directly but you figured there must be something else there & then you read all the writings of St. John of the Cross & St. Theresa Avila & on & on all the mystics & visionairies in recorded history & you say: "Well, they can't all be nuts, they must be talking about SOMETHING". So you sort of infer the presence of this other thing, but you don't know it in your guts.

Now that's a tough one, to be in that position."
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Phew. I'm glad someone out there recognises it is not easy having this SOMETHING drive you slowly crazy like an itch in the middle of the skull. Finally someone who has had a mystical experience, and has sympathy for those who have not.
 
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