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Ram Dass and Tim Leary

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69ron said:
The fact that you even know what LSD is, is mostly due to Leary. Without Leary’s enthusiasm for LSD, LSD would likely have been just some research chemical people would have long forgotten about by now.

Leary went around the world giving lectures on the benefits of LSD. He wrote many books on it. He gave it to many college students when it was still legal. He got people excited about it.

Leary really had nothing to benefit from it personally. He believed LSD would transform the world into a better place and felt obligated to spread the word to as many people as possible. He strongly believed that by getting the masses to try LSD, the world would be a better place. And he was right. Most people changed for the better after using LSD, and this has impacted the entire world.

The authorities only saw the negative reports. But with the few negative reports, there were thousands of positive reports. People literally changing overnight from a single use of LSD and becoming better people from it was a reality. A few had bad experiences, but most did not. It was less that 1% that actually had bad effects from LSD.

The fact that LSD was causing people to protest and want to change the world around them, go the government of the USA extremely paranoid that a possible revolution was on the brink, so they tried to put an end to LSD use.
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Well said ron.

Leary had a humongous impact on the world and he definitely did not act the way he did to "feed his ego", if you've read anything of his books.. or others thoughts on the man. He started a huge chain reaction in the world. I doubt we'd be here discussing psychoactive chemicals if it wasn't for him.. Most of us probably wouldn't be exploring psychedelics at all.
 
Morphane said:
Phew. I'm glad someone out there recognises it is not easy having this SOMETHING drive you slowly crazy like an itch in the middle of the skull. Finally someone who has had a mystical experience, and has sympathy for those who have not.
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I had that itch for a long time. Then i ate a few psilocybes in the forest :lol:

Saw that itch face to face. Actually, i was the itch.. it's all the itch.
 
Glad to see such great feedback about Leary, Ram Dass and the importance these gentleman played in the development of the psychedelic culture. I wonder if Leary had any inclination back then as to how deeply and long-lasting his efforts were going to resonate in today's culture. To me, Leary was more about spreading of knowledge that the experience of mind-expansion was possible. Ram Dass took it to the next level and tried to help people realize the direction to take this mind expansion in.

I'm a huge fan of 'Be here now'. In fact in my everyday moments of mental jumbleness, this phrase helps me concentrate on what's important... this moment.. lol. Here's a 3 part video about the beginning of the counter-culture movement and Ram Dass' discovery of the man who 'never comes down'.
 
Timothy is dead and Ram Dass needs you assistance he has dedicated his life and desivers to live his last years in dignity please assist him if you can.

Wayne Dyer is not a DRUG used but is a man of wisdom I highly respect him and value his writings.

Dr Wayne said "My belief is that the truth is a truth until you organize it, and then becomes a lie"
"What I tell people is don't be Christian, be Christ-like. Don't be Buddhist, be Buddha-like"

""Religion is orthodoxy, rules and historical scriptures maintained by people over long periods of time. Generally people are raised to obey the customs and practices of that religion without question. These are customs and expectations from outside the person and do not fit my definition of spiritual."






Peace Friends
 
It seems to me that the debate over whether Leary was an egocentric self appointed
guru snake oil blower-up-of-tbe-spot or if he
was a genuinely advanced spiritual teacher and progressive thinker
is kind of frustrating,
it's like on cnn when they talk about the circumstance's surrounding someone's death rather than their life, its a highly opinionated debate that doesn't take tim's ideas anywhere.
From what I know of him he was instrumental in diagramming, understanding and explaining
the psychedelic experience in Psychedelic Prayers and the Psychedelic Experience,his
views on futurism are also really interesting i'm not really sure but I believe he was one of the early guys to talk about the singularity,
I believe his frozen corpse is currently orbiting the earth along with the guy who
made star trek and a bunch of other illuminated futurist types,,, is that right?
He was onto computers from very early on and also believed that we could live forever,
I think its very interesting to try and imagine the future that he saw for lsd and
psychedelics, like when the merry pranksters crash the league of spiritual studies and they're like

LETS RAGE TIMMY WE ARE ON THIS TIP MANG AND IT IS WHOAH Y'KNOW! and tim is all,
"well you people, I implore you to seek the deep mystery of ego death and astral travelling
plus the extremely quiet and dignified art of meditating in my newly acquired mansion.
quasireligious treatment of this mind altering
chemical will be expected." and ken kesey's like
"yeah man ego death we're way ahheadaya we're actually fusing our mind into one drug fueled
rocket of consciousness which is going god-knows-where! wanna come along man we're astral travelling
in the first 4 dimensions, astrall travelled right across the country in this sweet bus matteroffact
just to seeya and rap withya about all these goings on in the mind space continuum ya know?""
and tim is like, "you guys are too crazy."
and they dip out... did tim really think all the kids were gonna tune in turn on and drop out in a peaceful
lotus position? the culture around psychedelics has been profoundly shaped by tim's sacramental attitude towards the
stuff, he made it ok to leave the show when you're frying to go sit in a quiet space...i mean what about the grateful
dead an the pranksters an janis and jimi and the doors?
didn't they totally make it cool and expected to get super duper high and rage? wasn't tim advocating a totally different approach to psychedelics that most of society ignored? maybe if people had listened
to him more there would've been less kids getting super spun and shooting meth... here's a link to robert anton wilson's explanation of the Leary's 8 Circuit Model of Consciousness, which should be extremely familiar to anyone who's gotten up to the level of neurosomatic stimulation.
 
Jin said:
true leary was a great man , quite articulate , a genious at his linguistic ability , same goes for Terrence Mckenna , both these men had a amazing magical quality to their voice , its a shame i was not born in the golden era of psychadelics ,
i wish we could have men of such intelligence and sincerity these days hopefully we will with people like dr rick strassman and others henceforth
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If we are not currently living in the most golden period for psycedelics in the last 400 years, then I don't know.
 
Thank you desiderata, I really enjoyed the link you posted for sentimental reasons. I agree with a lot of the family, here, that Timothy Leary and Richard Alpert were like the Louis and Clark of the psychedelic movement (along with Ralph Metzner and John Lilly), following in the luminous footsteps of guys like William James, Aldous Huxley and Alan Watts. I never had the good fortune to meet Timothy but I did get to speak with Ram Das in 1979, after one of his talks in Boulder Colorado. He is a sweet soul and very approachable. I was like a groupie or something... waiting in line to hug him. I made sure I was the very last one to embrace him. I looked him straight in the eyes and said, "Thank you for turning me on to God." He looked me right back at me and without any hesitation at all, he said, "Thank YOU for turning ME on to God!" I felt a little playful, so I said, "Thank God for turning us on to each other." He just smiled enigmatically, like the Cheshire Cat from Louis Carroll's, Alice's Adventures in Wonderland. We are all in the debt of such visionary characters as these two! May Timothy rest blissfully in the deep peace of the Clear Light.
 
I just found this video clip of Leary ... a pretty amazing video - and amazing for all the wrong reasons.
Tim Leary already garners a ton of personal respect from me for staying true to his form no matter the venue. This video further solidifies who this man was and what he stood for. Just to see a talk show host lay into somebody like this... forget that it's Tim Leary... such disrespect and rudeness on his part. Kudos to Tim for biting his tongue and maintaining dignity the best that he could despite being shit on by both the host the caller.
 
Legend of a Mind - Moody Blues (1968)

The boys are all still alive and do this song in concert. Moody Blues coming to your town soon check out the legends before its to late.

Heres another Moody Blues
Departure

Still on topic I hope:lol:


Peace
 
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