Readministering...Second/Third/Fourth Hits... and ceremony timing

[aethereon]

So, one time I received a new batch of Changa, and it had just so happened I knocked my scale off the bench the other day resulting in it not working anymore (This was a while back, since have gotten a new one.) However being all excited I just eyeballed out myself a dose cause I was "Experienced" and knew "how much it weighs just by looking at it." Turns out I was way off and I had the interesting effect of seeing my wood stove fireplace turn completely black (I've seen Lego land visuals, I've seen textures on things, but never have I ever seen something completely turn a different colour.) Like this was texture replacement on a different level, then thing was completely JET BLACK, not shiny but still had a metal sort of texture and looked absolutely almost demonic lol. Needless to say it was a huge dose, seeing that I was like "omg - what have I done?" When I got my scale replaced I weighed out my remaining changa and estimated I had done about 220mg in one go.

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I've never actually broken through however, in my YEARS of use somehow I've never willed myself to go that deep. However I would like to get there one day and many people have recommended Changa as the way to go. My big question is... how does one go about administering their second, third, fourth, fifth hits etc? I doubt very much I will be eyeballing my hits any more, and getting up during the experience, whipping out the scale and measuring out doses seems like the least fun thing I can think of. Do people like, pre-measure their hits and have separate piles to keep adding to the bowl, or do people just keep adding small pinches to continue the journey? Or does anyone actually measure up their hits once the journey has started? Or just have a massive bowl and only take small hits? Just curious on peoples feedback/protocols on this. Honestly one of my least favourite parts is weighing up the dose beforehand somehow, it feels kinda 'druggy' and with the pre-flight anxiety it's just not my favourite part of the process. That and feeling like my 'tolerance' to DMT is above average, but this is a topic for another post.

My other question is what time do people usually start their ceremonies at? I find that usually by the time I've willed myself to go into the space it's already late, after which I feel like it keeps me awake until the break of dawn. I found it a bit bizarre that Ayahuasca ceremonies seem to be done exclusively at night. Doesn't this throw off peoples sleep schedules?

Thanks everyone

 

[yatyas314]

Well I will say that it has taken me over a year to have one breakthrough.
I have a super friend that helps with the last hit because as you know by the time you get 3/4 there your too "confused" to rationally get another hit in you.
I am almost a strictly night time outside guy. Thats just the way I know how although I do not think there are any rules other than do what feels right.
y

 

[Transform]

There are plenty of options besides your hellscape vision of weighing out doses while under the influence. A selection of identical bowls can be pre-packed before a session, for example. This eliminates the possible difficulty of getting the dose into the bowl, or at least substitutes it for the one of competently swapping the bowls over. Another solution is to melt the doses into their own individual folded mesh pucks, which can simply be dropped into the bowl each time, but won't work for changa - maybe tiny changa dosing 'baskets' with a snap-shut lid would help?

Having a well-rehearsed routine and ritual will undoubtedly help, as might a good assistant, if you can find one.

 

[Voidmatrix]

Or just have a massive bowl and only take small hits?

Changa is the one thing I don't measure unless I am testing something.

It's pretty easy to pack a fat bowl and then hit it when you need to. I'd say make the first hit the biggest, see where you are, and then take any necessary subsequent hits. I've found this to be the easiest way. It works even better if the changa batch is strong. It's easier than having multiple pipes, than having a pile of changa to add to the pipe while you're already and definitely easier than trying to weigh anything out. And if you're anything like me, there will be some left in the bowl after your ceremony and it's a nice amount for a altered meditation.

My other question is what time do people usually start their ceremonies at? I find that usually by the time I've willed myself to go into the space it's already late, after which I feel like it keeps me awake until the break of dawn. I found it a bit bizarre that Ayahuasca ceremonies seem to be done exclusively at night. Doesn't this throw off peoples sleep schedules?

They aren't worried about sleep schedules. The spirits come out at night (instead of the freaks come out at night).

There's something about night tripping that is "deeper" than day tripping imo. I'm confident it's connected to the amount of sensory input. When there's less sensory input the entheogens tend to show you more.

One love

 

[aethereon]

Well I will say that it has taken me over a year to have one breakthrough.
I have a super friend that helps with the last hit because as you know by the time you get 3/4 there your too "confused" to rationally get another hit in you.
I am almost a strictly night time outside guy. Thats just the way I know how although I do not think there are any rules other than do what feels right.
y

I hear ya, the confusion is definitely a big factor ... It's bizarre that it can happen even though you go in knowing full well what you are doing but then staring at 'legoland' or being blitzed with an insanity of glyphs/informational bandwidth 'transmission' data per instant so high you can barely handle it it's like why is this happening? I've definitely done it for "more than a year" at this point, like ten times that Although there have been times where I did do it daily, generally wouldn't be doing it often, if at all for months at a time. I've definitely heard having a buddy there is beneficial, not just in terms of physically facilitating but also as a sort of moral support; there's been times where I had the strongest seeming will to 'get there' but then as soon as that second or maybe on occasion third toke was happening in quick succession and things started getting really weird, I remember once getting nystagmus (back in my days of "the machine" and I think i was burning it maybe) and I'd almost instinctively throw down the pipe. Like nope, I'm good actually. I guess when it comes down to what feels right in terms of timing i would say that yeah you are probably right, doing it is better than not doing it at all. Even if someways have been a bit of 'hangover' almost like feeling from the lack of sleep and probably being not fully hydrated going into the experience.

There are plenty of options besides your hellscape vision of weighing out doses while under the influence. A selection of identical bowls can be pre-packed before a session, for example. This eliminates the possible difficulty of getting the dose into the bowl, or at least substitutes it for the one of competently swapping the bowls over. Another solution is to melt the doses into their own individual folded mesh pucks, which can simply be dropped into the bowl each time, but won't work for changa - maybe tiny changa dosing 'baskets' with a snap-shut lid would help?

Having a well-rehearsed routine and ritual will undoubtedly help, as might a good assistant, if you can find one.

Lol hellscape vision is about right. For a bit the legoland novelty factor is kinda cool when interacting in this reality but like McKenna said it's better not to get distracted in the visual ooh and ahhs of the experience (or something like that) and instead focus more on the 'lesson' or whatnot. I think you have a great idea with the multiple bowls, I do have two and they aren't terribly expensive. Also what you mention, the baskets I literally have exactly what you are talking about. If you're familiar whith the whole storz+bickel 'ecosystem' the doising capsules are basically the little baskets you are describing complete with lids. Of course they are meant for vaporizing but they are stainless steel, probably would be fine to smoke through lol. It'd be cool if there was a little handheld dosing device which dispenses a pre-measured dose into the bowl but the engineering of a device probably aren't worth the time... or are they? I should just find an assistant, like you said.

 

[Transform]

By way of almost total contradicion, @Voidmatrix says it well too - a fat pile of changa in the bong will take care of itself, especially if you're confident about the strength of the material. Prior to my last posting (and omitted for the sake of brevity) I was reflecting on how this degree of instrumental measurement doesn't occur in traditional settings with yopo or ayahuasca, and there's no known record of the dosing practices associated with the ancient DMT pipes from archaeological finds in S. America, as far as I'm aware. We could therefore say eyeballing of traditional plant preparations is the tradition, except that's a bit daft given the technology available today. Furthermore, it would seem more than likely that those responsible for serving a brew would have a reasonable idea of the size of their cups and how many they'll be getting out of a big pot, if that's not too tenuous an analogy overall.