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Red Naphtha - No Precip?

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On my recent first extraction i did hot pulls, shook the solution a lot, it emulsified so i added more lye to separate the mix, i also left Naphtha in the solution for over 24 hours & ended up with a very concentrated red Naphtha which i have now left in the freezer for 24 hours but nothing is precipitating out of it, it stinks of DMT so it must have some in there, there's a very low amount of Naphtha & it's turned into a slushy goo in the freezer, could it be too saturated with non DMT matter (red/yellow goo) so that the DMT is stuck in there?

I've come back to the newbie section cause this extraction wasn't sucessfull enough to be in the proper forum.
 
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I think the only reason i got red naphtha is because i heated the solution & heated the Naphtha before pulls, i also shook it a lot & left the Naphtha in the solution for over 24 hours.

I reckon if i just swirled the solution a few times & pulled the Naphtha it would've been a lot cleaner... i was actually aiming to have yellow/red with all the heating etc, i just didn't realize cleaning it would be so difficult.

I'm starting to get a very yellow precip in the jar now, small bits here & there, maybe it needs a good 72 hours undisturbed in the freezer...
 
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We'll see on my next extraction, next time im not leaving the Naphtha in for more than 20 minutes, just going to swirl 100ml around in a huge round glass jar at room temp for 5 minutes & see if the pull is any better.
 
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Chronic said:
We'll see on my next extraction, next time im not leaving the Naphtha in for more than 20 minutes, just gonna swirl 100ml around in a huge round glass jar at room temp for 5 minutes & see if the pull is any better

Info on where to buy better bark would be nice though...
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Actually leaving the naphta to decant for a few hours/days is the easiest way to get ride of the gunk.
And adenium bark is actually great, just too finely ground, try an a/b next time!
 
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endlessness said:
do an A/B in the naphtha (salt, rebasify, repull with fresh naphtha), freeze and smile :)
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^^^this is the best advice. You can also patiently wait a couple of weeks - the red gunk will sediment out and you can then decant the clear naptha off. The prevailing opinion is that the red is pulled due to heating the solution, which allows the NPS to pull more than just the DMT freebase.

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If this freeze precip doesn't yield anything ill resdissolve the lot and just leave it aside for a couple weeks, then freeze precip what separates out...

If i yield red Naptha next time i'll do the same.
 
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I just realized even if i let the red Naphtha sit at room temp & wait for it all to separate, the gunk will drop down eventually, but the DMT will also start to crystallize & fall down into the gunk aswell?

I say this as when i left my evap trays out over night covered in cling film, in the morning there were plenty of clear DMT Xtals, but all mixed in with the gunk.

jimm said:
how bout some q21q21 jimjam tincture action, its superfast and bypasses naphtha altogether...w00t
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I kinda just wanna stick to STB for now considering the amount i've spent getting all the tools for it.
 
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On my last STB i did my first three pulls fairly quickly, with the naphtha barely even turning yellow (had a nice amount precip even at room temp). I let my last pull sit in the solution over night and although the naphtha wasn't dark red, it seemed to have a red tint. I let it sit for an hour and a reddish goo fell to the bottom and i decanted in another jar. I recrystallized and had nice fluffy white spice. I think heating the solution definitely has something to do with the red naphtha problem, but i'm also starting to think leaving naphtha in the solution for too long can also cause the same problem.

I am only speculating. There are other factors that might have contributed which i'm not aware of. Hope your next extraction goes more smoothly.
 
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Chronic said:
I just realized even if i let the red Naphtha sit at room temp & wait for it all to separate, the gunk will drop down eventually but the DMT will also start to crystalize & fall down into the gunk aswell?

I say this as when i left my evap trays out over night covered in cling film, in the morning there were plenty of clear DMT Xtals, but all mixed in with the gunk

jimm said:
how bout some q21q21 jimjam tincture action, its superfast and bypasses naphtha altogether...w00t
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I kinda just wanna stick to STB for now considering the amount of money ive just spent getting all my tools for it ;)
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You will only need to spend an additional 0.50€/$ for a liter of vinegar if you want to do an a/b. You don't even need heat, just mix mhrb with
vinegar+distilled water, wait 45 minutes stirring occasionally, filter with a t-shirt, decant and repeat the process twice, you can then either reduce
the acidic soup to a more workable volume or skip it and basify (you will need MUCH less lye btw). Not really rocket science, right? :)
 
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I just needed to understand the theory behind the A/B extraction a bit better & you've made it alot clearer than the teks that i've read, maybe my brain just melts seeing all those instructions, so your actually doing away with the MHRB material after extracting the DMT into a salt into the vinegar/water, then you turn it into a base with the lye & then pull with Naphtha, makes sense now, thanks

How much vinegar per ltr water should i use?

I am reading through some teks you just make it sound a lot simpler ;)
 
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Chronic said:
I just needed to understand the theory behind the A/B extraction a bit better & you've made it alot clearer than the teks that i've read, maybe my brain just melts seeing all those instructions, so your actually doing away with the MHRB material after extracting the DMT into a salt into the vinegar/water, then you turn it into a base with the lye & then pull with Naphtha, makes sense now, thanks

How much vinegar per ltr water should i use?

I am reading through some teks you just make it sound a lot simpler ;)
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I know this feeling, I was completely lost at first too :)

Most people use around 1:4 ratio vinegar:water, you definitely don't NEED that much but better be safe :)
 
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Cool, so the first thing im gonna do when i get some Naphtha is redissolve everything, then add vinegar/water, mix, leave for a while, then add a bit of lye, mix, leave for a while, and then pull with fresh Naphtha. (im presuming i don't do the filter step as theres no MHRB fibre to filter)

Does this sound like it would clean it up?
I should learn something trying anyway...

Its amazing how when your learning something it can be like total ignorance & frustration, then when you have 'understanding' it just becomes second nature
 
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Chronic said:
Cool, so the first thing im gonna do when i get some Naphtha is redissolve everything, then add vinegar/water, mix, leave for a while, then add a bit of lye, mix, leave for a while, and then pull with fresh Naphtha. (im presuming i don't do the filter step as theres no MHRB fibre to filter)

Does this sound like it would clean it up?
I should learn something trying anyway...

Its amazing how when your learning something it can be like total ignorance & frustration, then when you have 'understanding' it just becomes second nature
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Sure it should work, but you don't have to wait at all, just add your lye slowly (preferably first dissolved in water)..
 
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Cool, you've been a HUGE help thankyou!

I know i could've no doubt read this all somewhere in a tek but its nice to have first hand info on what to do, sometimes reading the FAQ over & over it stops sinking in, now i can go read it all again & understand a bit better ;)
 
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