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[Report(s)] A warning to my fellow psychonauts regarding hyperspace entities (wall of text alert!)

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Pestile said:
But it's really hard not to be amazed with what is being experienced in hyperspace and thinking about OP's story, it does seem like the perfect place for a dark entity to take a hold of you.
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Yes i totally agree. If i"m honest the OPs story scared the living crap out of me.

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Part 4 posted.


Man From Chan Chan said:
The observation I make from reading so far, is that balance doesn't appear to have been an aspect of the esoteric knowledge you became preoccupied with.
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Yes, yes, a thousand times yes! I couldn't agree more, and you have no idea how much I've beaten myself up over this when looking back on all of these events in hindsight. I'm glad that this is evident from my writing, and I hope that others can learn from my mistakes. Looking back now, I keep thinking to myself, "What was I thinking?? How did I not notice how weird all of this was?? How did I miss all this information out there that could have led me to question everything much sooner?"

On one hand, I accept responsibility for my lack of caution and balance, but there was another factor to this that I'm not entirely sure was completely my fault. The more I struggled to free myself from this dark influence, the more I realized I had undergone a radical shift in perspective over the preceding two years or so. I had a very powerful perceptual filter in place over this period of time, which may have just amounted to selection and confirmation biases in favor of things I really wanted to believe; but I also feel like there may have been memory, perspective, and information intentionally withheld from me. Or maybe that's just me trying to make excuses for my own foolishness, who knows.
 
hug46 said:
I agree that this is a great story and i am looking forward to reading more but bear in mind that it is someoneelses experience and you will have your own if you ever meet any entities.

Entering a hyper-suggestible state with expectations and warnings of evil can influence what happens to you and maybe not in a good way.
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This is a valid point. Expectations and preconceptions play a critical part in shaping any journey, but I think this is only half of the equation. I went into all of my experiences expecting most if not everything out there to be friendly or neutral, and expecting anything else to be intuitively obvious in its dark nature.

The best attitude to approach these things with is probably something along the lines of dispassionately courageous but not overconfident, cautious but not fearful. I suppose that's easier said than done, of course. You are absolutely correct that this is just one's person's experience, and I have no reason to believe it's the same for everyone. But given how unpredictable these experiences can be, you really have to be prepared for anything.
 
hug46 said:
Yes i totally agree. If i"m honest the OPs story scared the living crap out of me.
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My goal here is to inform, not to scare, so I sincerely apologize if this comes across as fear-mongering.

That being said, if you think that ideas like this might do you more harm than good, you may not want to read Part 5. Just sayin'.
 
NGC_2264 said:
The best attitude to approach these things with is probably something along the lines of dispassionately courageous but not overconfident, cautious but not fearful. I suppose that's easier said than done, of course. You are absolutely correct that this is just one's person's experience, and I have no reason to believe it's the same for everyone. But given how unpredictable these experiences can be, you really have to be prepared for anything.
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I agree.

NGC_2264 said:
If i"m honest the OPs story scared the living crap out of me.
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My goal here is to inform, not to scare, so I sincerely apologize if this comes across as fear-mongering.
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I don"t think that you were fear mongering. My "scared the crap out of" comment was half toungue in cheek and alluding to the fact that i am as open to suggestion as the next person. I look forward to part 5.
 
I wasn't gonna read all of that but I am so glad I did, because I swear... it was like reading about myself. I've been through a lot of the same stuff as you. I actually used to be really into ufos and aliens and had many sightings which started to bleed into my trips and I became very interested in otherworldly beings from other dimensions and I thought they were god but then they turned on me and I caught on to the trickery going on all around the whole time.

I've had many possession experiences and other crazy things. I see visons in normal everyday things sometimes that seem to point to something "other" going on, hard to explain.

It seems that like you, after I saw what was really going on, they turned on me. By chance I came upon Gnostic stuff online and it fit exactly what I was experiencing and I think you might find many similarities for yourself if you read into Gnosticism particularly about the Demiurge and the Archons.

I could go on and on but I think I'll just let you take care of your own thread with your good writing, also as I'm not in the mood to make my own wall of texts haha.


But seriously, I wish I knew you in person, we have a lot in common. I don't even post here really that much at all anymore, but I felt drawn to your post and can really relate to you a lot. :)
 
I read through part 1-3. I thought of this thread today while fairly deep in psychedelic waters. My honest thought: OP is scared. There is nothing to be scared of.

Concluded this from looking deep into Robert Monroe's books. Gnostic Teachings. Carlos Casteneda and it's parralells. Robert Monroe's travels have been very illuminating in this case.
 
Part 5 posted.

I'm feeling a bit drained from writing all of this, and it's starting to induce some rather unpleasant flashbacks, so I think I'm going to take a break for a couple days. I think what I've written so far covers most of the important stuff, though, and I'll be back soon to finish this up and answer more questions.


Botanical Bliss said:
I wasn't gonna read all of that but I am so glad I did, because I swear... it was like reading about myself. I've been through a lot of the same stuff as you. I actually used to be really into ufos and aliens and had many sightings which started to bleed into my trips and I became very interested in otherworldly beings from other dimensions and I thought they were god but then they turned on me and I caught on to the trickery going on all around the whole time.
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Fascinating. I'm glad to hear you got out when you did, sounds like you were smarter than I was and that you were able to stop before they did too much damage. I'm curious, what first clued you in to the idea that they weren't being honest with you?
 
NGC_2264

Wow thank you so very much for sharing your detailed reports, they are all beautifully written and articulated you truly have a gift for writing.

The quote: The answer is never the answer. What's really interesting is the mystery. If you seek the mystery instead of the answer, you'll always be seeking. I've never seen anybody really find the answer. They think they have, so they stop thinking. But the job is to seek mystery, evoke mystery, plant a garden in which strange plants grow and mysteries bloom. The need for mystery is greater than the need for an answer. By Ken Kesey

Comes to mind as I think intention is key, one of the most useful techniques that I have found is to try and just be an observer as much as possible unless I am deliberately seeking out an entheogenic journey with a specific intention. Presently I'm integrating my most recent enthoegen experiences and I have been putting all my focus into being mindful and practicing mindfulness meditation.

I recently attended teachings on how to find the essence of life, I could literally feel the physical sensation of the unfurling of my heart. Even though I look to no one else's logic over my own and I always proceed with caution and scepticism.

I have found it to be greatly comforting to have some guidance from someone who is far more adapt with meditation and understanding the true nature of conciousness. May I ask where did most of your journeys take place, did you incorporate any type of ceremony and may I ask what types of meditation did you practice. At any time did you seek out any form of guidance.

Don't be too hard on yourself as it is pretty easy to get lost down the rabbit hole, I also just wanted to ask how much time did you take between each journey for integrating your experiences and what techniques did you utilise for integrating your journeys. I apologise for all the questions I just wanted to do my best to get the clearest perspective possible and to have some understanding of the processes that you have incorporated into your journey.

I think its truly admirable and honourable that you have shared your difficult and profound experiences with us and for that I am truly grateful as I am pretty sure it wasn't easy for you to do. My hope is that these reports might help others who have experienced similar encounters within their enthogen journeys. I really wish you all the best and safe travels my friend, take care.


Much Peace and Respect
 
It's strange reading through this.
I've been treading very lightly with dmt because of something similar i encountered but it was much less in depth.
A feeling of interacting with a very powerful & ancient being or energy that i have no business toying with, it almost seemed as if there are things in the hyperspace realm that have the ability to come back with you, & once the door is open, there is no sending them back.
It felt as if they could unwind the fabric of reality & cause catastrophic damage & chaos in our world if released.

It's also effected my dreams in a very strange way, i sometimes have to look around & check after waking up to see that what happened was not actually real because it was so vivid, lucid, & the things that happen were so normal, as if it was my regular life happening on another timeline.

I've encountered states like this more than a handful of times on dmt & it always shakes me up very badly & makes me curse my curiosity about spice & then my use drops to zero for a couple months. My experiences have not all been so dark & scary, but the ones that were really made me question whether pr not spice is something the human race should be prodding.into.

You may benefit from speaking to another member here. I'm not sure if his username is exactly the same here, but i know he is here. His name at the shroomery is joe malloy.
He seems to have gone on an anti dmt crusade, reading a little into it he did so after using it alot & it had effected his life in a manner verh similar to yours, however he never went into detail about the entities, just that it alienated him in a way & made him very dissconnected from his normal life.
 
Man From Chan Chan said:
I understand if you're reluctant to go visiting anywhere any time soon, but have you worked with salvia? Taken properly i.e. buccally, not smoked, it definitely has the potential to help in re-grounding, effectively undoing a lot of the cumulative effects of heavy tryptamine use.
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3rdI said:
one thing that interests me, that i didnt notice, is your frequency of use, your dosage and your ROA.
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Aegle said:
May I ask where did most of your journeys take place, did you incorporate any type of ceremony and may I ask what types of meditation did you practice. At any time did you seek out any form of guidance.
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All very good questions, and this is an important part of the larger picture. It's a bit... complicated, though. I will address this in Part 7.
 
concombres said:
It felt as if they could unwind the fabric of reality & cause catastrophic damage & chaos in our world if released.
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That makes perfect sense, really. The "World Eaters" that I mentioned, if they're real, seem to operate in a manner that could definitely be described as "unwinding the fabric of reality," although it didn't seem to require anyone else's actions to "unleash" them. However, other visions in that same experience indicated that the worlds they had devoured were missing some critical form of protection, some kind of planetary consciousness that goes much deeper than the (ostensibly) dominant organic species that populate them, which is something that apparently we have on planet Earth (at least for now). But again, I'm not sure how much of this was fictional, so take it with a huge grain of salt.

concombres said:
You may benefit from speaking to another member here. I'm not sure if his username is exactly the same here, but i know he is here. His name at the shroomery is joe malloy.
He seems to have gone on an anti dmt crusade, reading a little into it he did so after using it alot & it had effected his life in a manner verh similar to yours, however he never went into detail about the entities, just that it alienated him in a way & made him very dissconnected from his normal life.
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Thanks for the heads up, it might be interesting to compare notes with him. I certainly don't feel like it's my place to go on any kind of "anti-DMT crusade," though. The hyperspace realms are countless, an infinity of infinities, seemingly representing every possible combination and permutation of consciousness and/or energy. I have only experienced a miniscule subset of them, and I would still like to believe that many of them are not inhabited by the dark forces I encountered. But I can definitely sympathize with the idea that DMT may not be something that we (or at least people like me) should be messing around with just yet.
 
NGC_2264 said:
concombres said:
It felt as if they could unwind the fabric of reality & cause catastrophic damage & chaos in our world if released.
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That makes perfect sense, really. The "World Eaters" that I mentioned, if they're real, seem to operate in a manner that could definitely be described as "unwinding the fabric of reality," although it didn't seem to require anyone else's actions to "unleash" them. However, other visions in that same experience indicated that the worlds they had devoured were missing some critical form of protection, some kind of planetary consciousness that goes much deeper than the (ostensibly) dominant organic species that populate them, which is something that apparently we have on planet Earth (at least for now). But again, I'm not sure how much of this was fictional, so take it with a huge grain of salt.

concombres said:
You may benefit from speaking to another member here. I'm not sure if his username is exactly the same here, but i know he is here. His name at the shroomery is joe malloy.
He seems to have gone on an anti dmt crusade, reading a little into it he did so after using it alot & it had effected his life in a manner verh similar to yours, however he never went into detail about the entities, just that it alienated him in a way & made him very dissconnected from his normal life.
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Thanks for the heads up, it might be interesting to compare notes with him. I certainly don't feel like it's my place to go on any kind of "anti-DMT crusade," though. The hyperspace realms are countless, an infinity of infinities, seemingly representing every possible combination and permutation of consciousness and/or energy. I have only experienced a miniscule subset of them, and I would still like to believe that many of them are not inhabited by the dark forces I encountered. But I can definitely sympathize with the idea that DMT may not be something that we (or at least people like me) should be messing around with just yet.
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Most of this stuff seems to be purely mental & fades at least for me as time passes. It's not stopped me from using spice completely or put me off in any way, just made my use much more cautious & less frequent.
Usually upon calming down after the trip my rational mind returns & this stuff just seems like it couldn't truely be possible, but the fact that i've seen it leaves an impression & it takes some time to wear off & get the thought out of my head that there may be things out there that we can not comprehend or find proof of their existence.

This does make for a very intersting read though, have you thought about submitting it to erowid when you've finished writing it up?
 
concombres said:
NGC_2264 said:
concombres said:
It felt as if they could unwind the fabric of reality & cause catastrophic damage & chaos in our world if released.
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That makes perfect sense, really. The "World Eaters" that I mentioned, if they're real, seem to operate in a manner that could definitely be described as "unwinding the fabric of reality," although it didn't seem to require anyone else's actions to "unleash" them. However, other visions in that same experience indicated that the worlds they had devoured were missing some critical form of protection, some kind of planetary consciousness that goes much deeper than the (ostensibly) dominant organic species that populate them, which is something that apparently we have on planet Earth (at least for now). But again, I'm not sure how much of this was fictional, so take it with a huge grain of salt.

concombres said:
You may benefit from speaking to another member here. I'm not sure if his username is exactly the same here, but i know he is here. His name at the shroomery is joe malloy.
He seems to have gone on an anti dmt crusade, reading a little into it he did so after using it alot & it had effected his life in a manner verh similar to yours, however he never went into detail about the entities, just that it alienated him in a way & made him very dissconnected from his normal life.
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Thanks for the heads up, it might be interesting to compare notes with him. I certainly don't feel like it's my place to go on any kind of "anti-DMT crusade," though. The hyperspace realms are countless, an infinity of infinities, seemingly representing every possible combination and permutation of consciousness and/or energy. I have only experienced a miniscule subset of them, and I would still like to believe that many of them are not inhabited by the dark forces I encountered. But I can definitely sympathize with the idea that DMT may not be something that we (or at least people like me) should be messing around with just yet.
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Most of this stuff seems to be purely mental & fades at least for me as time passes. It's not stopped me from using spice completely or put me off in any way, just made my use much more cautious & less frequent.
Usually upon calming down after the trip my rational mind returns & this stuff just seems like it couldn't truely be possible, but the fact that i've seen it leaves an impression & it takes some time to wear off & get the thought out of my head that there may be things out there that we can not comprehend or find proof of their existence.

This does make for a very intersting read though, have you thought about submitting it to erowid when you've finished writing it up?
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Funny, once my "guide" said to me "beware, not all that is luminous is illuminated". This was in regard to an entity I was gazing at. I am reminded of the depths of our oceans past where there is light and predators use luminence to lure prey for the kill. I have also felt and seen a world devourer and it feeds on the energies produced by war. It is very hungry and angry with "The Source". The experienced seemed to have Biblical qualities about a deposed angel but that may be just my background with religeon seeping in. I wept for this creature, its existance is misery.
 
I have met some weird entities somewhat like you describe in dreams. Sometimes I go through periods of time where I lucid dream a lot (several times a week) then at random it goes away for a while. I also get a lot of sleep paralysis and the occasional Robert Monroe style out of body experience.

The part where you talk about children seeming deformed where the proportions are all screwed up, I have experienced this in lucid dreams.
 
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