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RESPECT: Understanding the nature of todays drugs problems.

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yEA, PERHAPS THIS IS THE dmt nexus "wind up of the week??"...it's been fun, but it's getting quite boring now. Either you like my post or you don't-SIMPLES!
 
Don't take this the wrong way christian, but maybe you should take a small break, if for no other reason than to step back, take a deep breath and re-read this entire thread with a clear head.

I think you fail to realize the point of a forum. You created a topic and people discussed the topic. There is a treasure trove of great information that has been shared but you seem to be too attached to your initial post to recognize it.

As Ice stated, this is about growing and refining ideas. You appear to be doing neither.
 
Melodic Catastrophe said:
As Ice stated, this is about growing and refining ideas. You appear to be doing neither.
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-My head is quite clear actually, Melodic-thanks.

-The difficult thing with this threads replies for me was the fact that i was having to resteer people back into understanding what my original post was all about, which was timeconsuming and quite dull to be honest. A simple post getting ripped apart and overanalised, is in no way geared to growing and refining ideas, more like getting lost (imo), in the meantime i had to navigate all sorts of misunderstandings of people assuming that i thought others were "stupid"??

- to be honest i was sure that this was a wind up!:surprised

- Never mind, i'm sorry for other posters thinking i was disrespecting their replies, when in fact i was misinterpreting their replies, because they in fact misinterpreted my original posting.
 
christian,

If people don't agree with you and bring good arguments with it then you have to take those arguments into account. If you reply by stating they miss the point and keep pointing back at your original post then YOU are missing the point. With the way you bring it you are not getting a healthy debate. I see no constructive parts of your side, just the denial of arguments other people make while stating about yourself that you 'do your best'.

Now with this thread you stepped over the line what is acceptable here on the DMT-nexus several times. Please see this as a BIG WARNING at your address. Such a hostile and rude attitude is not welcome on the DMT-Nexus. You can count yourself very lucky that you have not been suspended for this, yet!

Change your way of argumentation and you might even get something out of it.


The Traveler
 
The Traveler said:
christian,

If people don't agree with you and bring good arguments with it then you have to take those arguments into account. If you reply by stating they miss the point and keep pointing back at your original post then YOU are missing the point. With the way you bring it you are not getting a healthy debate. I see no constructive parts of your side, just the denial of arguments other people make while stating about yourself that you 'do your best'.

Now with this thread you stepped over the line what is acceptable here on the DMT-nexus several times. Please see this as a BIG WARNING at your address. Such a hostile and rude attitude is not welcome on the DMT-Nexus. You can count yourself very lucky that you have not been suspended for this, yet!

Change your way of argumentation and you might even get something out of it.


The Traveler
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-I am shocked to read such a warning, when i haven't been rude to anybody in particular. I explained myself quite clearly. I have also read some replies from other posters on other threads, and these were extremely rude replies, yet they didn't get any warnings. I have decided that i'll save myself from posting in future, because i wasn't trying to be hostile or rude whatsoever, and am finding that some of the replies i got actually were a bit off, and not really done in a pleasant tone either. And i'm supposed to reply in a fantastic tone to such replies??

-Quite simply i wrote my post, then posters came along and picked apart. I then explained that it's nature was about RESPECT and UNDERSTANDING in todays world. Rather than talk about this, they continue to analise and look for faults to pick at. That is the way i saw it, and my head and mindset is clear and healthy, and free from any personal issues.

-I am always happy to discuss points with people in a positive manner. i thought i did this. I guess i must then be wrong?
 
and am finding that some of the replies i got actually were a bit off, and not really done in a pleasant tone either. And i'm supposed to reply in a fantastic tone to such replies??
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There is no point in mirroring negativity, it just reflects back to you.
 
I think perhaps my response in bold letters didn't go down well, and perhaps this was misinterpreted as me "muscling in" a bit too much. Perhaps i was getting fed up at that point of the thread from the misunderstandings of the simple point i was trying to put across. It was just a post on respect and understanding, and i told people about this quite a few times, yet they still didn't appear to understand my point, and instead focussed on my examples of simple natural drugs vs synthetic powerful chemical ones, finding fault with my simple examples, for example- when this in fact wasn't the main point, which is why i said that they were just there to "give an idea", etc.. One poster even accused me of calling people stupid, etc. I think that perhaps he thought that my topic was about nexus users, when it wasn't, it was about life in general.Also there was this issue from another poster of me being rude. I explained my point, asked for reasons why, and still haven't got a response...and i am rude??

-The thread had drifted well off topic by this point, and i was trying to get back to the main issue of the initial post, so that the topic could grow. It just was going round in circles, and i was trying best to "navigate the nexus thread" in more abundant waters.
-Never the less, it wasn't to be . The winds were against me, and the ship almost hit a lighthouse!!
 
christian said:
I think perhaps my response in bold letters didn't go down well, and perhaps this was misinterpreted as me "muscling in" a bit too much.
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Yeah, I believe that did hurt you. I've always gotten a really good vibe from your posts in the past and I think that this thread really didn't do you justice.

I think that where the problem came in is that you truly believe that the main problems with drugs is a lack of understanding and respect. What everyone else was trying to convince you is that it goes a LOT deeper than that.

I feel that the majority of (hard) drug users use in order to run away or escape from something. Whether it be physical pain, mental anguish or just themselves in general.

No matter how well they understand the drug, they do not want to feel the way they do in sober waking reality. It does have a lot to do with respect and a lack thereof.

I see drugs as a spectrum. On one end of the spectrum you have drugs like xanax, codines and opiates that depress the nervous system and effectively lower your consciousness.

On the other end of the spectrum, you've got drugs like LSD, DMT and all of the other psychedelics, which help raise your consciousness and awareness.

The people who are hooked on the big pharma meds could get a lot out of using psychedelics but that goes against what our elected leaders want. They want a nation of zombies who don't question their authority.

They would rather have people who live in fear and suffering than to have a nation of happy, healthy and competent individuals.

So to address your initial post, while I think that the "pick and eat" drugs are great, I don't think that has anything to do with the root of todays drug problem. Society is in sad shape and people can feel that at their cores. People want relief and they'll do whatever they can to get it.

The problem lies in what's available. It's like "Here, take this pill and you'll forget about your problems" or "Take the tab and learn how to deal with your problems"

I feel that if psychedelics were more well known, there would be a lot more people dealing with their problems instead of running away from them and this would begin a great new era for humanity.

Sorry you caught so much heat with this thread Christian. I hope this will help bring it back on track.
 
its a little complicated and time consuming to get into an in depth conversation about the current human behavior.
but to simply elaborate my point.
obviously these social/economic/cultural/ factors of drug use/abuse mixed with emotional, mental, physical factors
go way deeper than the use of the substance/drug.
people are just machines that sum,symbolize and simplify everything, including ourselves.
like conscious and subconscious.
we are alive for years and years but we somehow sum of all of what we have experienced into the moment we live in.
so put simply the problems are what people think is right, what people feel is right.
and what they feel is right is due to their experience, and their experience reflects outwards as persona,personality.
so the current drug problems is a result of pretty much a spectrum of every category of problems across the board
and it starts before the actual use of substance itself.
 
Christian, I know exactly the message you were trying to convey in your original post.

Its a simple message of people not really understanding the full implications of things they do or the drugs they take, Its a message I really agree with However when posting here you're basically opening your ideas up for criticism.

everything you post here is going to be looked at under a microscope by some very intelligent people and thats a good thing I think as it helps us shape and refine our ideas but it can also be very humbling and can seem like your getting attacked.

Humans are naturally defensive of their brainchildren, I think the reason your feeling like people have been a bit rude in response to your original post is because a lot of members here express their ideas with a very analytical overtone that can come off as rude or insensitive ( even if it isn't intended to be)

I think that most members here have positive intentions when interacting with others on this forum.

I also think that christains failure to articulate his message in a way that everyone here can digest is echoed by a failure in some other members inability to break down what they are trying to say to chirstian in a way that he can fully appreciate and understand.


I Like your posts and I agree with you on tons of issues I just think that some reflection on the what this website is about is called for, I also I think that members should try to be less critical of other thought processes and realize that sometimes people don't just ' Get it ' instantly like some of you might think they should. ( I'm an example of this )

Work with people, try not to get angry and judge others so swiftly. (and no I don't think I'm any kind of example of this but I am trying.)

I encourage everyone to look carefully at how they respond to people and to say things with a more friendly and brotherly vibe .

~PEace
 
I really enjoy the last comments.
And to expand on them a little further: Noone is trying to attack you christian.
Most discussions on here REALLY are about the topic in question, not much else.
Sure, we all feel hurt from time to time and respond in unsuitable ways.
The more important it is, to not forget what this is all about.
 
Thanks for your replies Obli, Melodic, Frac, Ray of light.

-Yes, i think that the world today is in a bit of a state, and some people out there are stuck in the middle of it without the time or patience to look for gentle ways to ease their problems. I guess the term "urgent action for urgent situations" comes to mind.

-Obli, i wasn't trying to mirror negativity, as such, but can see it may have looked like such. I'm actually a chilled out person, but a bit stuck in my own ways sometimes.Thanks for the kind comments 😉

-Melodic, whilst i realise that the drugs problems of today run deep and into many areas of causes, i was really meaning where everyday healthy , normal individuals go wrong. Not really looking towards people that had problems in the first place scenario.
However everything you said i agree with, and think you said well. Also, thanks for the kind comments!😉

-Frac, Yes this subject of human behaviour is as deep as it is wide. We are always learning and growing. I agree that problems occur before the drugs use most of the time, etc. And i'll be the first to admit that i only have a very limited knowledge of the kinds of problems people are going through. However i strongly believe that if ( in an ideal society ) children were bought up to understand and respect the world we live in , that we would have less peoples problems than we see today. 8)

-Ray of light, thanks for those kind words also. I can see that this thread did me no favors at all. I guess i was overdefensive, and that while everyone was kind enough to reply, perhaps my response wasn't a good reflection of my usual posts. However, i just think that this was "one of those threads", that perhaps went downhill in terms of tone, and just got worse.😉

- I'd like to apologise to anyone that thought i was being rude and hostile. It wasn't intended. Regards, Chris.8)
 
Aaaahhhhhhh...... I feel so much better now. I didn't want to participate in this thread because I was worried the negative energy would rub off on me. However, I couldn't stop myself from reading every post to see if things would resolve themselves peacefully.

I'm glad threads don't get this contentious on the Nexus very often, but at the same time, I think they are necessary to stretch us and force us to deal with our demons. I know I learned a lot about human nature and psychology just by reading this thread.

Peace and Happy Journeys :)
 
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