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Sacred Patterns (of the cosmic anaconda)

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During one of my experiences with DMT, I witnessed this 3D, wave like pattern and transparent pattern hovering above the carpet, making waves and ripples and all I could do was sit there in total awe. Suddenly, it was there with my eyes open and I couldn't believe it. (more here)

I always wondered, if this pattern was unique, or if other people had already seen it before. Some of the previous patterns during the experience were very "atztec like" if you know what I mean, and I always thought it to be possible that etheogens were an inspiration for indigenous artists.

I think I was wrong, it's more than that.

I accidentally stumbled upon a great blog and there I saw "my" 3D pattern...

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Seemingly a piece of clothing worn by shipibo women. Here's the quote

Shipibo woven cloth, whose design represents a sacred pattern derived from a cosmic anaconda whose skin embodies all possible designs. Shipibo shamans employ these patterns to reorder the bodies of persons who are sick.

singingtotheplants.blogspot.com

Some Thoughts on DMT Art

A number of artists have attempted to render the striking visual experiences that occur after ingesting ayahuasca or DMT. In the Upper Amaz...
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Now I was wondering if anyone got more informations about the cosmic anaconda!
I'm stunned to re-encounter the EXACT pattern I saw in this piece of traditionell indigenous clothing. Not that it's so strange if you think about it..but still - wow.
 
I can't believe that nobody else has commented on this yet! I've seen the EXACT same pattern with my eyes closed! I went looking around for DMT art and stumbled upon a picture of a nearly identical design and freaked the fuck out!

What's really incredible is that they can actually SING the patterns to each other as it's own language:
This article has a little bit about the cosmic serpent.

I think you'll be interested in this article as well.
"Mathematicians View Unstable Activity in Brain to Better Understand Circuitry of Visual Cortex"

As for the cosmic serpent... I don't know a whole lot. I believe that there are some cosmologies that place the earth inside the belly of a giant snake. The spinning of the stars along the Axis Mundi creates the effect of being inside a tunnel, or giant snake.

I've always felt that reptiles were very spiritually powerful creatures. Pythons especially. Although I think of "Serpents" as being benign, and "Reptilians" as being malicious.
 
I was also a bit sad that noone replied. Good to see that this finally got some attention. I've taken up my studies on the subject of ethnology/social/cultural anthropology and had some time to read a monography about the shipibo-conibo. As for the snake as a symbol, it seems that cultures who practice horticulture/gardening somehow associate the snake with the earth and fertility. Shipibo-Conibo has this cosmology where the snake is in the underworld (note the association with the earth). There's also a place..i think it was called "the white place" at the top of the axis mundi, where only experienced shamans are able to travel. It's the "white room" where everything is brightly lit...in fact, nothing seems to exist beside this white light...

The patterns are a thing of their own. It somehow baffles me that drinking (ayahuasca) is a mens business, but only women are creating the patterns. Maybe women were drinking in the past. It's said, that women were able to draw the patterns by hearing certain spirit songs....it's very fascinating and I plan on re-reading the monography and some more stuff about them. Maybe I can somehow work it into my official study at the university.

Thanks for the links!
 
obliguhl said:
I always wondered, if this pattern was unique, or if other people had already seen it before. Some of the previous patterns during the experience were very "atztec like" if you know what I mean, and I always thought it to be possible that etheogens were an inspiration for indigenous artists.

I think I was wrong, it's more than that.
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Fascinating! Another way to interpret this is that psychedelics let us experience pure, unfiltered human creativity. Ancient art from many cultures is often festooned with psychedelic tweedly-dees. These motifs wind through many cultures into the present day where they spontaneously reappear in the minds of contemporary humans.

For me this is a profoundly connecting sentiment. Some common core creative themes that have been around since the dawn of man still flow strongly through the 21st century mind. We haven't really changed at all on a biological level and we aren't really that different from each other when you strip things down to the core.
 
Hi,

I have one of these Shipibo textiles I got in Iquitos, like this one


which is hanging up in my room. I definitely feel Aztec builders were 'experienced' to quote Jimi Hendrix.

I just read this on the following Erowid ayahuasca experience report;

Ayahuasca - Erowid Exp - 'I and Grandmother Meet'

An Experience with Ayahuasca. 'I and Grandmother Meet' by Unoanimo
www.erowid.org

and found it interesting, I think you may to:

"The shifting and overall aliveness of this biomorph, yet strictly geometric grid made me dizzy (car-sick); I closed my eyes and tilted my head upwards and looked at the sky, and then around, into the forest: this familiar picture of the ‘walls and ceiling’ helped to balance the floor, who had unpredictable intelligence and mood-touches. I also felt that it was a bit overwhelming, being an intelligence that seemed so alien that my human mind could not ‘frame it’; also the fact that it was alive and changing simply tossed out all logic or relate-able thoughts. No anchors allowed Here. It’s odd though, that this geometric grid work was confined to the ground; I did not see it in the sky nor anywhere above the ground surface. This ‘web’ hovered about 1.5 inches and was not ‘pasted’ to the surface of the earth like an etching. Later I would make a direct connection with its design scheme to Mayan and Aztec art; that the aesthetic of their art (IMO) is not idiosyncratic, it belongs to another dimension/world of being."
 
deedle-doo said:
obliguhl said:
I always wondered, if this pattern was unique, or if other people had already seen it before. Some of the previous patterns during the experience were very "atztec like" if you know what I mean, and I always thought it to be possible that etheogens were an inspiration for indigenous artists.

I think I was wrong, it's more than that.
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Fascinating! Another way to interpret this is that psychedelics let us experience pure, unfiltered human creativity. Ancient art from many cultures is often festooned with psychedelic tweedly-dees. These motifs wind through many cultures into the present day where they spontaneously reappear in the minds of contemporary humans.

For me this is a profoundly connecting sentiment. Some common core creative themes that have been around since the dawn of man still flow strongly through the 21st century mind. We haven't really changed at all on a biological level and we aren't really that different from each other when you strip things down to the core.
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Yes...I see it that way, too.
 
burnt said:
SWIM often sees such patterns while on dmt. They often have a similar feel or look to them even if the room or area where SWIM is tripping is different. SWIM thinks however it has nothing to do with cosmic serpents and everything to do with how this substances effects our vision.
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My swim seems to always see the pattern of textured diamonds at first, then the patterns can be various.
A few days ago he went on a VERY heavy trip and everything turned into alien vertical tight high frequency lines. Swim was able to see how WE are really very odd and alien objects.
 
when I get back from a visit, I sometimes play around on photoshoop to see if I can get something that looks vaguely like what I saw ... of course, I have never successfully done this, because it's hard to make a snapshot of something that is moving and changing in multiple dimensions. However, see if this rings any bells for anyone:
 

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Have you read the Cosmic Serpent, by Jeremy Narby? He cites multiples examples of different indigenous peoples with the exact same belief in twin serpents creating life on this earth.
 
obliguhl said:
During one of my experiences with DMT, I witnessed this 3D, wave like pattern and transparent pattern hovering above the carpet, making waves and ripples and all I could do was sit there in total awe. Suddenly, it was there with my eyes open and I couldn't believe it
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I bet you must have cherished that vision, funny you mention aztecs, no its abit of topic but recently after smoking dmt i have been starting to ponder the belief that maybe there are gods out there? not like the jesus & god show, (not ment to offend any chrisitans) but something more sacred than that? something spiritual

(maybe the gods are showing us visions when we trip) sorry if that does sound abit obsurd to some people, jusy my opinion really :p
 
the pattern seems vaguely familiar.
I could never ever draw or depict the patterns and lines i see, this however looks like it's inspired by the spirits.
I genuinely feel that it is impossible to capture a DMT visual Distortion / Hallucination and preserve it for further examination.

I once smoked low dose DMT and started to draw the patterns i saw. At the time of drawing them, they seemed to be special enhanced, meaningful and deep. When i came down and looked at the same picture i drew it just looked like a bunch of random colors and lines in no relation to one another. This makes me wonder, what if the DMT puts the meaning in these lines? What if they are always there, just, our brain never conceives them this way.
 
rave420 said:
the pattern seems vaguely familiar.
I could never ever draw or depict the patterns and lines i see, this however looks like it's inspired by the spirits.
I genuinely feel that it is impossible to capture a DMT visual Distortion / Hallucination and preserve it for further examination.
This makes me wonder, what if the DMT puts the meaning in these lines? What if they are always there, just, our brain never conceives them this way.
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i could not agree more!
although my question to you is if you are able to preserve the images in your mind?


88! ... I Love the second one, anyway for you to link me or pm a larger version? thanks!
 
88 - Those "Arrow" shapes in different forms, 3d, colours, web-like etc seem to crop up a lot. Well, I mean I recognise arrow shapes in that great artwork. On a powerful journey, some can join at their bases to form a kind of cross shape with the head of each arrow at the 4 points. the web like or matrix multi colours - anyone ever have a Spirograph when they were younger ? !

rave420, Capt-Bones - the images we experience are still there after we "land", but I think the recall is difficult due to what's called "state dependent learning". When we recapture or recreate the mental state we were in when we experienced or learned something, then it seems to make access to that memory fairly easy. Other possible ways would be to use pre-hypnotic suggestions (which may or may not work!) and of course our Nexus, where one or more of our fellow Nexians may just post something that unlocks that door - just as 88 did with the "arrows"!
 
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