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San Pedro/mescaline extraction questions and concerns

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fibfab3301

fibfab3301

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Hello there everyone! Hope everyone is enjoying the start to their week thus far. I have come to the nexus yet again in search of help, clarification and guidance. SWIM knows that this is a sacred plant and entheogen used by people as rite of passage of sorts and is trying to treat this with the utmost respect and knowledge.

SWIM has recently come across a massive captive plant which SWIM has taken much time and effort to identify and has come to the conclusion that it is PC Pachanoi. SWIM had planned on using ron69's d-limonene tek and just had a few questions. (Not necessarily about the tek)

SWIM knows it's very important to do your best to ID your botanicals before ingesting or extracting. And as said swim is 95% it is PC Pachanoi. SWIM was wondering if it is possible for anything harmful that can come thru in the extraction and be a danger to SWIM ingestion? One of the comments on Rona tek I believe said they got deathly ill and had to go to the hospital and his response was that it was something in the cactus or the wrong cactus all together (I'm not quoting mind you but it was along these lines)

SWIM has extracted ACRB many times before with great success this will be there first time with a different material and they just want to be a safe as possible.

Also, any leads where one might find d-limonene? My local hardware store did not carry :(

Thank you for reading everyone! And especially to anyone who give insight! And thank you to the nexus for making such a wonderful place for people to share such insight!
 
No reason to swim - it doesnt offer you nay protection and is just awkward and weird. Everyone knows who you are talking about and SWIM is basically only associated with recreational drug use. This forum encourages posters to skip on the SWIMing.....

San Pedro is very easy to extract. Totally safe. I have drank it a few hundred times. I know shamans in Peru who have been drinking it for 40+ years.

Easiest way to make it - chop it up small and boil everything except for the hard woody core for about 5 hours. If you like add a lemon or lime to the pot before boiling. Then strain out and either drink it as is, or reduce it. Easy peasy. (I have brewed this a couple hundred times)

People that dont use the whole cactus miss out. The core isnt needed and is too hard to chop anyways.... But use the rest.
 
Greetings everybody!!:love:

Travsha, how are you?:)
Im also looking for a easy way to extract mescaline from San Pedro. And the way you described about making tea sounds very nice to me. I have a few questions tho.
If my San Pedro is in powder form, will this tea making method work the same way for it ? Maybe there is some tips if cactus is powdered ? I read somewhere that firstly you can add some water in powder and then freeze and unfreeze the soup a couple of times, idk really how does it helps. What do you think, is this step necessary ? Or , are there any other tips which may help an extracting process.
Also you mentioned that you boiling the cactus, and im wandering should i boil it or just simmer it. What works better?

Sorry if my questions are arrogant, my cactus knowledge is very limited at the moment.:oops:

Thank's for reading buds and high five!!:d :love:

Best regards
 
With powder there is no need to make any tea. Usually with powder you just stir it into some water or juice and then drink it as quickly as possible. If you let it sit too long it gets thick and harder to drink.....

If you are making tea with the fresh cactus though you want a light boil. I prefer this term to simmer, because many people simmer too low.... There should be some definite bubbles and you dont have to worry much about heat hurting the medicine. Just dont burn it....
 
This can be very personal issue but this dude needs to drink a lot with the powder. If he doesn't it's like the powder absorbing water from the intestines and creating very hard feces the day after. If he drinks a lot with the powder it's not an issue.
 
Thank you so much for your replies buds!!!

Although drinking for example 50g of cactus powder is quite a challange. I tried it once ( too bad it was Predominant Cultivar san pedro ) without any effects and it was pretty hard. I made it , but the taste of the cactus .. unforgettable .. 😁

So i was wondering if its possible to make tea with the powder?
Any recipes? Will the simple simmer with lemon juice method work for the powder ?

Best regards
 
Thank you everyone, the info is much appreciated! I know hall keep says no to brew it in a tea and I shal. But an extraction is really what is being aimed for... With that being said.. One more question regarding solvents in extractions...

D-limonene is proving hard to find without ordering online which I don't wish to do. And xylene is illegal in California..
Can bestine be used instead of xylene in kashs A/B tek?

Thanks again everyone!

...the more ya know!
 
50 grams of powder? I have no clue how much that is, but it sounds like a lot.... Usually you only need 1-2 tablespoons of powder. If you need more then that, then the powder probably isnt San Pedro, or it has something else mixed in maybe.... I dont know, but... Every San Pedro powder I ever saw had a dosage size somewhere in the 1-3 tablespoon range. (is 50 grams about 2 tablespoons? I never weighed it before....)

If you decided to make a tea with the powder I dont see any reason why it wouldnt work.... Should work fine as long as the powder is active. Probably do it just the same as when you chop it up small. Might even get a more effective extraction since the powder is so refined already. Probably more work to strain it out, but you should manage.
 
travsha said:
50 grams of powder? I have no clue how much that is, but it sounds like a lot.... Usually you only need 1-2 tablespoons of powder. If you need more then that, then the powder probably isnt San Pedro, or it has something else mixed in maybe.... I dont know, but... Every San Pedro powder I ever saw had a dosage size somewhere in the 1-3 tablespoon range. (is 50 grams about 2 tablespoons? I never weighed it before....)

If you decided to make a tea with the powder I dont see any reason why it wouldnt work.... Should work fine as long as the powder is active. Probably do it just the same as when you chop it up small. Might even get a more effective extraction since the powder is so refined already. Probably more work to strain it out, but you should manage.
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50 grams of powder is around a bag the size of an iphone. 1-2 tablespoons would be no more than around 4 grams.
 
Strange, I have never heard of powder that weak before..... Everywhere I have seen it - 2 tablespoons of powder is plenty, and 3 would be for an extra large dose. I wonder why it is so much weaker? Was it just such low quality of cactus, or is it cut with something, or is it something else?
 
Tryptallmine said:
travsha said:
50 grams of powder? I have no clue how much that is, but it sounds like a lot.... Usually you only need 1-2 tablespoons of powder. If you need more then that, then the powder probably isnt San Pedro, or it has something else mixed in maybe.... I dont know, but... Every San Pedro powder I ever saw had a dosage size somewhere in the 1-3 tablespoon range. (is 50 grams about 2 tablespoons? I never weighed it before....)

If you decided to make a tea with the powder I dont see any reason why it wouldnt work.... Should work fine as long as the powder is active. Probably do it just the same as when you chop it up small. Might even get a more effective extraction since the powder is so refined already. Probably more work to strain it out, but you should manage.
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50 grams of powder is around a bag the size of an iphone. 1-2 tablespoons would be no more than around 4 grams.
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hmmm , i must say im a little confused right now.
I keep reading everywhere that if you want a good effects from raw San Pedro (making a tea) , it should be at least one foot long ( approx half kilo ). If its dried, it will be 40-50 g's approx.
1-2 tablespoons of powder sounds like not much to me. Or the potency of different Pedro varies this much ?

All my knowledge about San Pedro is from different forums and not my own. Please correct me and share some info about ingesting it.

Best regards
 
A foot long cutting is a good size for most people. Some people like more or less.

But every time I have seen powder you only need about 2 tablespoons worth. You dont for example grind or dry the woody core - it is too hard and fibrous to grind into powder and it is the only part of the cactus without active alkaloids.
 
Tryptallmine said:
50 grams of powder is around a bag the size of an iphone. 1-2 tablespoons would be no more than around 4 grams.
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I think you confuse teaspoons (5mL) with tablespoons (15mL). Or your cactus powder is mostly fluff!

From fresh I've boiled stem slices no more than 4mm thick, core and all, to good effect. Cores were not too woody in this instance. In any case, use a really sharp knife.
 
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