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(?) San Pedro or/vrs. Peruvian Torch (?)

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I have yet to consult the Cactus spirits. I think living in a forest environment has made me far more interested in Forest medicines. But now I have been getting a subtle call and in about 6-12 months I wish to begin a commitment to one of these two spirits. The main call I am hearing is to Peruvian Torch but it would be very helpful to hear peoples comparisons of the two or/and how the two are similar.

Thanks.
 
I have only worked with peruvian torch as that is what I grow and what was available to me. The torch that I have at least seems much stronger than what I have heard others claim of san pedro..I could never eat those doses of this torch. They have some different alkaloids though. Other people with more experience can probly tell you much more..I was only into cacti for a short period time really when I was activly working with it. Mostly I just grow it now.
 
Yeah the peruvian torch is more strong. I think it just contains a bit more mescaline that the san pedro. Maby a few other stuff, but the mescaline is still the active chemical as in san pedro!

Do you know witch grow bigger though? Because I'm going to be growing them soon (san pedro and peruvian torch) but I'm going to give one or two to a friend who wants to grow them indoors, in his room!!

Will the stay small if you keep them in a meduim pot for kinda long?
 
Pot size doesn't matter a whole lot
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I know this pic is on a bigger scale, but you get the idea. A small pot just means denser roots, as far as i can tell.
Not sure about the difference. I grow both, but i've only worked with San Pedro as the P. Torch i ahve is still quite young.
 
Ive only worked with pedro so far but i have to say that it might be the best medicine for me...

the powers of cacti is incredible and it can really make you feel empowered by the gods...


This saturday i actually mixed caapi san pedro and 2 kinds of mushrooms(cubes and libs)


The experience was probaby the most profound ive had, i felt that all the spirits of the world was together guiding me through their worlds, the earths spirit was one with me and gave me a message of love and hope.

I felt i could become whatever i choose and the word was mine if i wanted it.


Also i got the time traveling thing that ive heard about with cacti, it was like i could think of something and see what would happen if i choose to do it or not.


Too bad they grow so slow compared to shrooms since i would love to do it soon again.
 
AmadeusD said:
Pot size doesn't matter a whole lot
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I know this pic is on a bigger scale, but you get the idea. A small pot just means denser roots, as far as i can tell.
Not sure about the difference. I grow both, but i've only worked with San Pedro as the P. Torch i ahve is still quite young.
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pot size does matter! leave them really root bound and they grow slow (but will flower more readily)

picture appears to be cereus peruvianus btw...
 
I've worked extensively with Torch and Pedro.

Torch, in my experience, is virtually indistinguishable from pure mescaline. In other words, the other active alkaloids in torch don't change the experience in any drastic way. My crude torch extracts and crystalline mescaline extracts couldn't be distinguished if I was unaware of which one was being administered.

Pedro's mescaline is undeniably mixed with sleepy, sedating alkaloids. It is dreamier, more relaxing, and less visual.

Because of this, Pedro has a more feminine vibe than Torch. they call torch "san pedro macho" for a reason. It is more powerful and more visually rich than pedro, though this is of course a dosage phenomena too.

I've overdosed on pedro before and it was extremely strange and mind-warping, though still reluctantly visual.
overdosing on torch yielded DMT-like intense open eye visions and indescribably intense energy tremors.

neither could be called better, though the common clones of san pedro could not be called potent by any means.
find some good, high quality dried outer green flesh of pedro or torch, start low, and neither will disappoint!

for the record i prefer torch. but i think getting a bag of each will provide a better view into the yin-yang world of the two similar, yet different species. Viva Mescal!
 
hypnotoad said:
Do you know witch grow bigger though? Because I'm going to be growing them soon (san pedro and peruvian torch) but I'm going to give one or two to a friend who wants to grow them indoors, in his room!!

Will the stay small if you keep them in a meduim pot for kinda long?
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They both have the potential to grow equally, and 5 different san pedro cuttings will grow 5 different ways, so it's hard to say. i've regularly bought 2 identical cacti from the same distributor and had completely different grow rates: one starts shooting off limbs right away and grows an inch or more a month, and the other doesn't show any growth for a year (eventually growing, though slowly).

you just have to pray for the best. growing indoors will slow it down, and growing it in a pot will slow it down, but don't let that discourage you, it's still rewarding!
 
pedro on left, bridgesii on right, why not mix and match?
 

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I agree to mix and match, im interested in all of them!

I have only tried bridgessi and san pedro so far, and i agree that the pedro possesed a more mental and dreamy quality, wheras the bridgesii was more intense and in your face.

But really i loved them both, and glady will use san pedro equally with bridgessi, because i did feel a very unique and generally wise and kind spirit from it with a crazy sense of humor.
 
in my earlier cactus eating days i tried torch, pedro, and achuma. out of all of them i noticed that achuma had a particular "twang" to it. sort of like the uneasiness mushrooms have. for some reason i was attracted to it and went achuma since then, 4 years ago.

im seeing now that each type of cacti is a different perspective, and look forward to some high quality torch as well as pedro. itll be really interesting to go deep with those having had the last few years dedicated to achuma.
 
Any idea of growth rate in achuma vs san pedro? i found some 30cm cuttings that i will buy but it will probably be a good year or more before i can take anything of them right?

Another option would be to cut like 5-7cm of each of the 4 before planting them, that way i could probably sneak peak a dose right?
 
If im not mistaken, Achuma can be a name that refers to any of the sacred cacti. Could be san pedro, or torch, or bridgesii.

Achuma also refers to a particular clone of bridgessi, supposedly sourced from bolivia.



Cheers!
 
To make things clear, im getting 4bridgesi cuttings to complement my san pedros,

lol it seems like im spending all my extra cash on cacti right now :)
 
I don't like most specimens of peruvianus/Peruvian torch cactus.

I threw 30 of them away the other day, effectively getting rid of all my peruvianoid material.

After nearly 14 years of growing and researching these plants and doing countless comparisons I don't find peruvianus to be worth growing.

Compared to good selections it is inferior in pretty much every way I can think of, I think it is highly over-rated.
 
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