vlad665
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can anyone run some tests for the other goodies?
gonna try a brew with st johns wort or elaeagnus angustifolia
gonna try a brew with st johns wort or elaeagnus angustifolia
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sarcodon sp. with some promising ammounts of indoles, tryptamines, etc., according to this page
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What goodies?
Great to have you here, but I have to say that this is not a post that has much to go on. So maybe take a bit more time to introduce your post and elaborate a bit on what you think is worth looking into,
Great to have you here, but I have to say that this is not a post that has much to go on. So maybe take a bit more time to introduce your post and elaborate a bit on what you think is worth looking into,
The paper expressly states, "non-hallucinogenic" indoles, and goes on to list serotonin, tryptophan, tryptamine and serotonin. I'm not sure what the point of combining this fungus with Elaeagnus sp. or St John's wort would be - anxiolytic antidepressant, perhaps? It certainly isn't going to be hallucinogenic, or are you privy to some new information on psychoactive effects from sarcodon mushrooms, @vlad665?
Species such as chanterelles and Slippery Jacks contain comparable amounts of these indoles and have never been reported as having any psychedelic action either. It seems highly likely that the ubiquitous indole compounds listed in the paper are ubiquitous in fungi as well.
Species such as chanterelles and Slippery Jacks contain comparable amounts of these indoles and have never been reported as having any psychedelic action either. It seems highly likely that the ubiquitous indole compounds listed in the paper are ubiquitous in fungi as well.
vlad665
Rising Star
"The aim of the present study was to examine the accumulation of non-hallucinogenic indole derivatives in the methanolic extracts from the fruiting bodies and mycelia from in vitro cultures. This is the first report on the quantitative analysis of indole compounds in S. imbricatus in vitro cultures."
it also states :
"Eleven standards of non-hallucinogenic indole compounds were used: L-tryptophan, 5-hydroxytryptophan, 5-methyltryptophan, tryptamine,5-methylotryptamine, serotonin, melatonin, indoleacetic acid, indoleacetonitrile, indole and indoleacetamide (SigmaeAldrich, St Louis, USA). All the analyses were carried out in triplicate. The results were expressed as mean values with standard deviation (SD)."
they stated clearly what they tested it for "non-hallucinogenic indole derivatives" with the "eleven standards of non-hallucinogenic indole compounds used"
so they didn't tested it for say nn, or 5meo, or buffo or any other goodies.
so i was thinking maybe taking it with a maoi would do some aya stuff. idk man, just wishfull thinking on my side
Largely, although there was a paper back in 2005 that demonstrated the presence of trace amounts of psiloc(yb)in in a surprising range of UK basidiomycetes (all of which have a range beyond the UK - and it really should be emphasised, this was the tiniest trace amounts.
Incidentally, I suspect that study was carried out to highlight the absurdity of the UK ban on fresh psiloc(yb)in-containing mushrooms which came into force around that time. I'll have to dig around a bit for the reference, but you seem to have some familiarity with the mycological literature and the 2005 (iirc) study was published in a mainstream enough journal so it's out there for anyone to find with a short search.
In light of all this (now that I've slept on it
) , it's a perfectly reasonable suggestion to have made regarding trace fungal alkaloid analysis - this would be especially useful in connection with establishing genetic relationships within the basidiomycotae with a view to focussing on factors behind expression of latent psiloc(yb)in-producing enyzme pathways.I'm pretty sure there is a sizeable body of literature on this group of topics, and it would make a fascinating rabbit hole to explore. That doesn't mean it would be sensible to consume herbal concoctions made with random mushrooms, however
By the way, the general impression some of us have been getting from Elaeagnus (or, in my case, the related plant, sea buckthorn) in brews is one of reducing the effects of psychedelics when used at anything more than the tiniest dose.
I'm also wondering whether you've ever seen any confirmed report of using St John's wort - with or without elaeagnus - to activate oral DMT. It may serve to modulate the effects of orally active psychedelics but the in vitro MAOI effects do not appear to equate to utility in preparing ayahuasca analogues.
Isanara
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St. John's Wort (also Hypericum perforatum) : Erowid Exp: Main Index
A categorized index of first-person experiences with St. John's Wort
www.erowid.org
Phalaris Grass & St. John's Wort - Erowid Exp - 'Phalaris Soma'
An Experience with Phalaris Grass & St. John's Wort. 'Phalaris Soma' by Toltec
www.erowid.org
The above report may not be credible.
Here is an excerpt below:
These numbers seem implausible.
No replication of this has been confirmed or reported after over twenty years.
I was going to say that the inclusion of olive leaves here should not be overlooked, but now I've read that it was in fact the leaves of Russian Olive (Elaeagnus angusifolia) that were used.
Now that the topic has been raised, I might as well mention that I've noticed, entirely anecdotally of course, that olive leaf (Olea europaea) produces a sort of "window" effect, rather like psilocin minus any of the colours and shapes. My vision seemed sharpenedo and the overall 'feel' of the herb was what I'd classify as an "opener".
I never got around to exploring this aspect of olive leaf any further, so it's interesting to be reminded of it.
The recipe from the Erowid report seems sufficiently obscure that nobody ever even thought to try replicating it. I'd have to review the data around the harmine content of Russian olive (elaeagnus) leaf to evaluate its plausibility. It also shouldn't be overlooked that phalaris may contain β-carbolines as well.
There's also an Erowid thread detailing a few St. John's wort interactions:
St. John's Wort & Various - Erowid Exp - 'St. John's Wort interactions'
An Experience with St. John's Wort & Various. 'St. John's Wort interactions' by User
www.erowid.org
Isanara
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Russian olive was discussed a bit at the old site by Al.K.Lloyd. I don't know of many first hand ingestion reports.
Incidentally, I suspect that the trip report linked to above, by me, that is found at Erowid, may be psychosomatic and not an actual trip.
Russian olive has been used as a food, it doesn't have any reported toxicity that I am aware of.
It's worth a a closer look, perhaps.
Incidentally, I suspect that the trip report linked to above, by me, that is found at Erowid, may be psychosomatic and not an actual trip.
Russian olive has been used as a food, it doesn't have any reported toxicity that I am aware of.
It's worth a a closer look, perhaps.
Russian olive is not toxic. The leaves are used for tea, the fruit is a highly regarded edible, and I have gone up to 100g of inner bark boiled with multiple washes and had no side effects. Alone it is a legitimate medicine: antidepressant and giving sublime focus, confidence and energy in small doses.,. and giving effects in the same class as rue or caapi in higher doses. With a mechanism that has still not been shined light on, it blocks rue and tryptamines effects, and also it does not turn on oral DMT by itself. I have done some experimentation with leaves and they were not different in this regard, and bark is much more psychoactive. There are still flowers and ground seeds worth experimenting with. I couldn't find any data indicating that they have beta carbolines but it just might need proper exploration/study. For now I am content with combining tiny doses of bark with rue and I don't have a plan to do a flower or seed study soon. BTW in my country, Russian olive seeds are used to make amulets to ward off the evil eye, just the same way rue seed capsules are used.
Yeah, I eat [dried] Russian olive fruit (known here as Mehlbeeren - "flour berries") quite regularly. It's pretty good once you get used to the texture. Eating the seeds is said to be good for the joints and bones. They are very hard at first (the seeds, that is) but they soften up just enough to chew after holding in the mouth for a couple of minutes - you still need good teeth for it, though.
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