shaman and ego

[Albert]

hello everyone i am happy to see you all and the Nexus forum btw )
Here is my question: Is it possible that professional experienced aya shaman (has more than 20 years practicing) stilll have an huge ego?
Thank you

 

[Ufostrahlen]

hello everyone i am happy to see you all and the Nexus forum btw )
Here is my question: Is it possible that professional experienced aya shaman (has more than 20 years practicing) stilll have an huge ego?
Thank you

Yes, it's possible. Does he behave like he has a huge ego? Or has he a good reputation?

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Just a Wee Bit More About DMT, by Nick Sand - Psychedelic Frontier

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[universecannon]

Yes it is of course possible

 

[Cognitive Heart]

It's definitely possible. They themselves have deconstructed or faced their own egos through these entheogenic states. Would they be shamans without those processes? I feel not so. Naturally, they are able to shed insight because of these re-births, so to speak. They are still growing, learning and experiencing life.

The importance of a supportive and shamanistic approach to an Aya experience is essential.

 

[Albert]

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Does he behave like he has a huge ego? Or has he a good reputation?

I dunno his genuine reputation. I see his fb and there too much self-admiration...
If subj is possible - this is it, shortly saying.
Thank you friends

 

[TGO]

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Does he behave like he has a huge ego? Or has he a good reputation?

I dunno his genuine reputation. I see his fb and there too much self-admiration...
If subj is possible - this is it, shortly saying.
Thank you friends

"Too much self-admiration" ...

That right there definitely answers the question. I am no shaman by any definition of the word but I think that at least one requirement should be a sense of selflessness. A person who is full of themselves clearly has a huge ego. While that may not be inherently bad, it usually is...just my thoughts on the matter! Have a good one!

:d

 

[Nibbana]

Hi Albert! Great to see you too

I always felt like recognizing the ego was more important than eliminating it. It's a part of human function... part of us in a way, but not truly us? Depends on how you define yourself.

Once you see it for what it is and that it is not that serious, you can decide how much it affects you... You can YOLO this life and party hard and get totally absorbed into the ego being totally selfish the whole way with its ups and downs - but deep down within you, you know that everything is alright.

Cos pfft, were all one right? Maybe not...? Like I said, it depends on how you define YOUrself.

I'm pretty sure the guy is well aware that he has a huge ego, maybe not... but as Cognitive Heart said - "They are still growing, learning and experiencing life."

Though I hope his huge ego doesn't prevent the flow of love and connection between him and those undergoing a ceremony etc. I imagine it may do so.

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I'm selfish when I feel selfless and selfless when I feel selfish...

Peace and love!~
Nibbana.

 

[Albert]

Yes, it usually for common people, i don't mind. but what the reason to have a deal with a shaman who is like an usual human? I even dont know such usual people who put such a big banners with self pictures on the header of fb wall
Thank you Nibbana, you are telling right things and also you are full of love ...

 

[Nibbana]

Yes, it usually for common people, i don't mind. but what the reason to have a deal with a shaman who is like usual human? I even dont know such usual people who put such a big banners with self pictures on the header of fb wall

Though I may be wrong as I haven't seen this guys facebook page and I don't know of him at all.

Maybe you and him just perceive it differently? E.g. To him, having a facebook banner with selfies isn't a big deal, he just thought it might be easier for people to recognize his page better so it's easier to find him or his organizations page etc.

Whereas you and I might think this guy is full of himself, just wants to show off, what a cocky bastard etc. It might be true to a certain degree, but maybe not to the extent that you think.

I think I understand you though... especially knowing how people are using facebook nowadays(I feel this especially as I'm in the younger age group. My generation is facebook obsessed.) A persons Facebook seems to be a digital manifestation of their ego. Either way it may not necessarily be bad. Though if you desire not to surround yourself with highly egotistical people as I do, then it may be better not to deal with him?

Honestly I have met many people whom I believe to be high enlightened, some were highly egotistical, some with only remnants of it showing through as they live mostly in a selfless state.

So yeah, I don't think it may necessarily be bad, maybe you could even ask or talk to him about it. I don't know what you mean by "dealing" with him, whether that means undergoing a ceremony with him guiding or whatever but just because he has an ego doesn't mean he's a "usual" human, I'm sure he still has some knowledge to share and likewise with you, you perhaps have knowledge of the ego to share with him haha.

Don't look down on him or anything, he's on a journey himself as are you.

Be open, so long as you have intentions of love within you. It can't hurt to talk to him about it.

 

[Albert]

waw! ... really profound ) and it's a superior idea :d

 

[Ufostrahlen]

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Does he behave like he has a huge ego? Or has he a good reputation?

I dunno his genuine reputation. I see his fb and there too much self-admiration...
If subj is possible - this is it, shortly saying.
Thank you friends

I suggest reading as much as possible about genuine Aya shamans and what they really do. FB and self-admiration sounds to me like a wannabe neo-shaman and I'd stay from those people. These are people with no cultural background and aren't part of a society from which they draw respect and reputation. Probably persons who try to make quick money.

And even if they claim 20 years of experience, so what? Maybe they were expelled from their society for misconduct (e.g. black magic) and now make a living by scamming people. When you go to a doctor, you first want to know his reputation and be sure he's under a certain quality control.

Why don't you post the FB page here and let people review this character? Maybe someone has already experience with him and can tell about his practice.

PS: there are genuine shamans in Indonesia, so why an Aya shaman anyway? Dukun - Wikipedia

 

[○]

Yeah, shamans are human just like everyone else. There'll be a spectrum with how they are as an individual to more or less a degree, just like anywhere else you go in life.

Ego's necessary though imo, as an individual living in the world. Just gotta keep it trimmed and not let it get out of control.