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Can anyone please point me in the direction of some books with high quality information about shamanism? Or does anyone have any experience with shamanism or know anything about it?
Al Dimentiz said:The way of the shaman, Michael garner
bassmethod said:There are also a lot of works by Terence McKenna
and many other popular speakers in the psychedelic community who talk a great deal on the
subject. You can probably find more about them in the "Files" section of the Nexus website.
fractaloctopus said:If you're interested in the history of shamanism, I would highly recommend both of these books:
Shamanism: Archaic Techniques of Ecstasy - Mircea Eliade
Pretty much the standard when it comes to traditional shamanism across multiple cultures and time periods. My one gripe about it is that Eliade summarily dismisses any shamanism that incorporates drugs as being "decadent" and essentially only pseudo-shamanism: "“Intoxication is a mechanical and corrupt method of reproducing “ecstasy,” being “carried out by oneself”; it tries to imitate a model that is earlier and that belongs to another plane of reference.” To just outright dismiss this aspect of shamanism really shows either an extreme cultural/societal bias or a mind-boggling naivety on Eliade's part. Possibly even both.
fractaloctopus said:Hallucinogens and Shamanism - Michael J. Harner
Harner's Hallucinogens and Shamanism makes for a near-perfect companion to Eliade. He covers the use of hallucinogens by various cultures, even devoting a chapter to European witchcraft.
MysticYogi said:Yes, those are words of an inexperienced and biased person. (There are connections among Mircea Eliade and the far right and nationalism.) The ayahuasca and similar entheogenic ceremonies are often misunderstood, especially by Western scholarly people who were not born out of an indigenous culture. A Western author as such has no room to make a statement as such. Yet, no need to judge the man's limited understanding of the world.
MysticYogi said:I am reading Harner's The Way of the Shaman now. I am curious to know why he chooses the word hallucinogens, as say to entheogen or psychedelic. Shamans know that the entheogenic experience does not produce hallucinations per se; in a shamanic state of consciousness, we are able to experience and interpret other frequencies that we are unable to perceive during an ordinary state of consciousness. While experiencing a shamanic state of consciousness, we are experiencing realities that we are unable to tap into without a shamanic induction into that state. McKenna and Strassman sometimes use the word, hallucinogen. I am skeptical when I hear it used though.
Deliriants produce hallucinations; psychedelics and entheogens are doorways into higher dimensions of reality.
In the book, does he talk about deliriants and dissociatives?
"This book presents the encounter between Amazonian and modern worlds through the account of the recent phenomenon of expansion of shamanistic rituals based on the consumption of ayahuasca." —Renato Sztutman, Professor of Anthropology, University of São Paulo