Shelf life of MHRB

[Eddy777]

Hello there!
I’m new to DMT forum and I hope I could ask some specific question which I have not found an answer to. I hope some of you that might be able to share your knowledge. I myself have some experience with ayawhasca but after reading some of the information/discussuions on DMT forum I must admit I am still in dipers. Or maybe not even consice yet!

1. Storing:
For how long can MHRB be stored in a shelf (cold, dark, airtight) or in a frezzer and still be good for an ayahuasca brew? I have read that with time there is some oxidation of DMT into other components. Interestingly this components seem to also have psycoactive properties.
So if I put in an air tight bag and freze it at -17C, would it stay good for lets say 10 years? What about the same but in a cold dark shelf?
I have read all the threds in the FAQ and what I could find in the net but all info mainly gravitated towards storing of DMT in cristal form.
I have also heard that 6 month in a shelf gave minor deterioration. Will putting it in a freezer slow it down? And for how long could it be keept in a freezer?
If it will inebitaly oxidate, will a DMT n-oxide ayawhasca brew be a good experience? Most of what I have found of DMT n-oxide is vaporized info so not sure what to make of it. It all points as OK but some one with experience on oral way would be appreciated!
Also if deterioration is an issue, could it be compensated by adding more MHRB to the brew?


2. Cappi vs. Peganus
I have brewed ayawhasca probably about 4 times using Mimosa (10g)and Peganus (5g) with good results.
On another ocation I tried to prepare a brew with capi (75g powder) and Mimosa (12g) but the journey lasted only around 45 minutes. Not sure why but it seems I got better results with MH + peganus.
Still, I read the very interesting sicky note from the ayawhasquero stating the importance of Cappi in traditional brews. Is there anything to learn there? Does the recepi (Mimosa (10g)and Peganus (5g)) lacks any insights that might be lost to translation from the old shamanic ways.

Thanks!
In eternal search for the light that shine so bright inside every single one of us…
Ed

 

[The Traveler]

The FAQ is usually a pretty good place to start in most cases, including this one.

It's towards the bottom, DMT/Plant Storage.

Seems like it should be good for quite awhile. I'd say keep it away from extreme heat as much as possible though.

Kind regards,

The Traveler

 

[Eddy777]

Hello Traveler!

Really thanks! And Im sorry for the slip... Sure enough I had read through the hole FAQ on storing part. But funny thing happened, all this reading must have made me partality blind or left brain dead. .:surprised

I now see that it clearly states:
"For oral usage of mimosa, formation of n-oxide wouldnt really affect much as it will be water soluble so one will still get the effects when consuming the brew."

I therefor understand now (I think) that for oral consumption, there really is no loss in efficiency and for that reason the MHRB can be stored indefently in a cold, dark, dry place. And of course as long as nothing strange grown on it like a alien fongus or anything.

This makes me also reason that frezer and air tight is also not needed if oraly ingested?

I really admire people that vaporize the DMT. It must take a huge courage to compress a DMT experience into such a strong and fast take off. I find oral hard enough as it is and Im always a little afraid of the rising part. I guess my first experience was very stong and for that reason caution and respect has always persisted ever since. Im fine once I get there but Im very hesitant all the way there.. I guess I hate the desintegration and loosing control part. Must be an ego thing. Funny enought I keep on doing what the ego hates.

I guess my second question is one more related to the differences between ayahuasca vs pharmahusca. I have allot of reverence for the experience and have always perceive basically as sacrate. But now I also wonder if I only have experience pharmahuasca and not ayahuasca. And of cource if there is a difference to explore.



I live in Norway and unfortunaly most of people here thinks drugs are just done by addicts. If people would find out about my inner search they would probably trial me as a which and burn me inquisition stile..

For this reason my experiences are few, far appart and therfore my need for long term storage.

Thanks again for the post and direction.. :thumb_up:

I have seen the light, so I know is there...

 

[Eddy777]

Hello there!

One last question for all of you who might know and have the time to share. There is one question that has puzzle my mind since this topic was posted.

In the FAQ it states:
"For oral usage of mimosa, formation of n-oxide wouldnt really affect much as it will be water soluble so one will still get the effects when consuming the brew."

Now does this means that for oral use, the MHRB can be stored indefenetly without degradation? In a dry, dark place of course....

If this is the case, maybe it could be good to add the statement to the wiki in order to help the future travelers to come..


Thanks in advance and good journey to you all!

 

[The Traveler]

Now does this means that for oral use, the MHRB can be stored indefenetly without degradation? In a dry, dark place of course....

I think it will not survive for a few billion years.

But storing it in a cold, dry and airtight place will definitely keep it good for tens of years.


Kind regards,

The Traveler

 

[gammagore]

Ive got some bark that I bought from a dutch supplier(not in bussiness anymore) a few years back, kept it in the corner of my room for the first year or so then moved it into a freezer, its lost a little bit of yield, id say maybe 10%, but considering the quality of the bark, im still happy.

So, airtight, cool and dark, it should keep for a long time.