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Should I do this?

manifest_jynx

manifest_jynx

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I've been given the opportunity to set up a bufo ceremony in a shamanic setting and now have the funds to do so. I have a lot of experience with NN DMT but have always wanted to experience the god molecule but I'm hesitant because I'm aware how much stronger this can be than a regular DMT breakthrough.
Any insights from anyone experienced? How was your experience and should I do this? Honestly just need some confidence before I set my date because I really wanna experience this beautiful experience.
Much love!
 
I'd say don't compare the two. It may be a faulty comparison that lends itself towards worries you may not need. There seem to be many who find NN more "Godly" or intense, or strength than they do from 5meodmt. They're very different. In the same breath, psilocybin and psilocin are technically DMT molecules, but we don't make the same kinds of comparisons with those. Go into it ready for a fresh experience.

It sounds like you have a guide of some sort. I'd vet them first, because afterall, your safety will be in their hands.

One love
 
Voidmatrix said:
I'd say don't compare the tyyeswo. It may be a faulty comparison that lends itself towards worries you may not need. There seem to be many who find NN more "Godly" or intense, or strength than they do from 5meodmt. They're very different. In the same breath, psilocybin and psilocin are technically DMT molecules, but we don't make the same kinds of comparisons with those. Go into it ready for a fresh experience.

It sounds like you have a guide of some sort. I'd vet them first, because afterall, your safety will be in their hands.

One love
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Yes I've been told the two are completely different experiences and I'm ready for something new. Really just mentioned the DMT experience for some insight into my experience with tryptamines. Just wondering what others have thought through their experiences and how it's helped them, honestly just any insight to help build my confidence a bit.
 
Also anything anyone has done for preparation in the months coming from personal experience that's helped them. I have a whole list Im gonna follow but if anything has helped anyone personally going into this I would love to know
 
Voidmatrix said:
Give me a bit. I've spoken with @famine about best ways to prepare, but I'd have to dig through my PMs.

We're in a similar boat, as this year will be my first time in the 5-MEO-DMT waters also.

One love
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Thanks I appreciate it! Also good luck to you in your experience, I hope all goes well for you. Definitely send that to me whenever you find it I'm definitely interested!
 
Here we are:
For me:

1. Fast 4 hours prior.
2. Good diet week of, no alcohol. no junk/fatty foods.
3. Have space ready, no objects that can hurt you if you start trashing around on the floor.
4. Be happy prior. No stresses, conflicting thoughts. For healing purposes this rule does not apply.

Yes you can take 2-3mg and take a bigger dose 10-15 minutes later no problem :) Yes use torch always. I highly recommend getting an emesh setup for DMT and 5meo though."

And thank you! I look forward to hearing about yours as well!

One love
 
Should you do this , you really are the only one who can answer .

As someone who has experience both with DMT and 5-MeO-DMT, I must say I tended to have more physical side effects which could be interpreted as scary stuff during the intense come up , but once past bearkthrough doses you no longer care , you're not there anymore .

The come up is way heavier and harsher but if you let go it can leave you in infinite bliss, contrary to DMT though, you feel like your self is gone not only your body, I usually can think as myself on DMT, not on 5-MeO-DMT . Heavy dissociation .

Of course dont be alone for a first time I suggest
 
AquaSpirit said:
Should you do this , you really are the only one who can answer .

As someone who has experience both with DMT and 5-MeO-DMT, I must say I tended to have more physical side effects which could be interpreted as scary stuff during the intense come up , but once past bearkthrough doses you no longer care , you're not there anymore .

The come up is way heavier and harsher but if you let go it can leave you in infinite bliss, contrary to DMT though, you feel like your self is gone not only your body, I usually can think as myself on DMT, not on 5-MeO-DMT . Heavy dissociation .

Of course dont be alone for a first time I suggest
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Thank you that was very insightful, thankfully I'm gonna have a shaman and a couple facilitators there to guide me through and make sure my physical form is okay, I'm familiar with ego death/dissolution as I've had a few experiences like this from higher vaporized doses of DMT so I think I'm ready for the surrendering part of the experience.
I really plan on implementing a more stable mindfulness practice into my daily routine in the coming months up to my experience to help reduce my anxiety and prepare me some more.
Voidmatrix said:
Here we are:
For me:

1. Fast 4 hours prior.
2. Good diet week of, no alcohol. no junk/fatty foods.
3. Have space ready, no objects that can hurt you if you start trashing around on the floor.
4. Be happy prior. No stresses, conflicting thoughts. For healing purposes this rule does not apply.

Yes you can take 2-3mg and take a bigger dose 10-15 minutes later no problem :) Yes use torch always. I highly recommend getting an emesh setup for DMT and 5meo though."

And thank you! I look forward to hearing about yours as well!

One love
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And thank you voidmatrix, this is what the facilitators told me as well. Next few months is gonna be a lot of mental preparation and mindfulness practice.
 
Happy for you manifest_hynx!

Sounds like you are excited to try it even if there is some apprehension. I would imagine I would have the same apprehension if I ever get around to 5meo. I would love to try it sometime. It is a certain kind of courage to get into some of these psychedelic spaces. I think it is good to push boundaries in a safe way, explore consciousness and dive into the bizarre realities that many will never experience their entire lives. It almost feels like a club sometimes, I mean I am instantly routing for you here, psychonaut club. We need a secret handshake.

I am sure you will have a great experience. Be sure to tell us about it later on. I am a little jelly to be honest!
 
Voidmatrix said:
this year will be my first time in the 5-MEO-DMT waters also.
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Courageous and commendable (or foolhardy!?) that you will be diving into this given the documented issues you are reporting with severe anxiety and tremors on straight DMT, especially in light of what I have heard that aside from the intensity in its own right, 5-MeO-DMT apparently frequently has the tendency to radically intensify and alter the regular DMT experience afterward. I hope it doesnt change it too much for you after if you go ahead with it.

I wonder what would be the motivation and pull for you at this time, aside from curiosity?
I, like you have ready access but have thus far abstained but the curiosity is there. Still for me DMT and Harmalas are a kind of spiritual practice and I have much work still to do with this I feel before working with transcendent selfless states that it seems to access.
 
Panpsychic said:
Courageous and commendable (or foolhardy!?) that you will be diving into this given the documented issues you are reporting with severe anxiety and tremors on straight DMT, especially in light of what I have heard that aside from the intensity in its own right, 5-MeO-DMT apparently frequently has the tendency to radically intensify and alter the regular DMT experience afterward. I hope it doesnt change it too much for you after if you go ahead with it.
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You're kind, and I appreciate you. Tremors during psychedelic experiences tend to be a type of purge for me, so any somatic happenings are welcome as I associate them with healing and resetting of the nervous system. I'm also open to NN-DMT being intensified thereafter. The less I need the better. I think that's a positive thing, just an added layer of navigation.

I'm motivated by virtue of being a psychonaut but also as a medicine person or wounded healer that is working their own healing path. I'm open to the array of other medicines that I have yet to try or haven't had the time to bond with.

Panpsychic said:
Still for me DMT and Harmalas are a kind of spiritual practice and I have much work still to do with this I feel before working with transcendent selfless states that it seems to access.
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Do you not access some of these transcendental states with DMT or combined with harmalas? I definitely have. It seems that NN-DMT can access similar areas of experience, but that a certain class of experience is more of a regular occurrence with 5-Meo-DMT.

One love
 
Voidmatrix said:
I'm motivated by virtue of being a psychonaut but also as a medicine person or wounded healer that is working their own healing path. I'm open to the array of other medicines that I have yet to try or haven't had the time to bond with.
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Thats a pretty good motivation I suppose. Not having put myself out there as an experienced tripper now or personally leading ceremonies very often, I dont feel such a pull but in terms of psychedelics 5-MeO-DMT would seem to be the last frontier in terms of intensity and self dissolution even though its only becoming more common the last couple of years. I like the analogy of the wounded healer, we are all walking a path and a good teacher is just a student further along.

Voidmatrix said:
Do you not access some of these transcendental states with DMT or combined with harmalas? I definitely have. It seems that NN-DMT can access similar areas of experience, but that a certain class of experience is more of a regular occurrence with 5-Meo-DMT.
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Yes, with this combo I get usually very intense "God experiences" predominantly and very little if ever of the reported entity contacts. Still there is a sense of self and who I am, even though it becomes somewhat translucent to the divine presence within and without.

Perhaps the difference is one of degree, but from what I hear of 5-MeO-DMT in addition to a few more physiologic concerns there is a common total loss of awareness either with a so called 'whiteout' or else an initial belief that one had died until one surrenders completely to it and a forgetting who one is.

I am sure I would be fine, as I have handled hefty doses of psychedelics always without a sitter but I think the first time with 5-MeO-DMT it would be wise to have one for sure and I can see myself developing a health relationship with it after that although with additional safeguards like doing it on an empty stomach. Its just that I am very aware I have still to integrate and attune the work that Harmala DMT is currently showing me and I feel no rush at all so the curiosity can wait for now.
 
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